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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Andreas Ericsson <ae@op5.se>
Cc: Shawn Pearce <spearce@spearce.org>, Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>,
	Paolo Ciarrocchi <paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com>,
	Petr Baudis <pasky@suse.cz>, Junio C Hamano <junkio@cox.net>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git wiki
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:30:26 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0605030817580.4086@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4458C5D7.8010501@op5.se>



On Wed, 3 May 2006, Andreas Ericsson wrote:
> 
> Considering Sun's CEO's common comments on Solaris' superiority over Linux I
> think it's safe to assume that the same CEO wouldn't exactly jump of joy if
> his employees started depending on a tool fathered by Linus.

I doubt it went that high up, but with any kind of politics it's obviously 
possible that somebody consciously or unconsciously felt it might become a 
political problem, and it might have made a difference.

However, I think the _real_ issue is that Mercurial has a much nicer 
introductory phase. The standard mercurial web-page is so much more 
professional and nice to look at than any git page I have ever seen, and 
let's face it: first looks _do_ count.

Also, the fact that Solaris had the unfortunate bug with signals probably 
didn't much help to endear git to them, since it made it look like git had 
problems. Never mind that we solved it - I think it took us a while to 
even realize that Solaris had a problem, because we weren't intimately 
involved.

Which brings me to the final point, which is that I think the hg team was 
very active and supporting, perhaps Matt himself. That's _important_ - the 
OpenSolaris people probably felt very comfortable with strong support from 
the developers. It can often be _the_ best (and biggest) reason to choose 
any product - regardless of anything else.

Even if I think the git mailing list itself is very responsive, I think 
the hg people were just more directly and actively involved. For git, they 
had to come to us.

I also suspect that some people find python scripts somewhat less 
intimidating than C. I'll also happily admit that my coding standards tend 
to lean towards the "sparse" when it comes to comments, and I much prefer 
the "small and well-named functions" approach, and git seems to have stuck 
to that with Junio. Which just turns some people off.

So I don't think you need politics to explain it. I think hg is doing 
quite well. It took some different design decisions, and while I 
personally think the git ones are better, I'm somewhat biased ;)

			Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-05-03 15:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-02 23:25 [ANNOUNCE] Git wiki Petr Baudis
2006-05-02 23:33 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-05-03  8:39   ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2006-05-03  9:00     ` Petr Baudis
2006-05-03  9:13       ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2006-05-03 13:41         ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-05-03 14:29           ` Shawn Pearce
2006-05-03 15:01             ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-05-03 15:24               ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2006-05-03 15:30                 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-05-03 15:30               ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2006-05-03 15:39                 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2006-05-03 16:06                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-03 16:17                     ` Jakub Narebski
2006-05-03 16:19                       ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2006-05-03 16:46                         ` Jakub Narebski
2006-05-03 19:21                       ` David Lang
2006-05-03 19:30                         ` Petr Baudis
2006-05-03 19:46                           ` David Lang
2006-05-03 20:07                             ` Petr Baudis
2006-05-04  0:53                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-05-03 16:47                 ` Theodore Tso
2006-05-03 17:06                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-03 17:15                     ` Theodore Tso
2006-05-03 17:40                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-03 22:39                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-05-03 22:46                       ` Petr Baudis
2006-05-03 22:50                         ` Joel Becker
2006-05-03 23:05                           ` Petr Baudis
2006-05-03 18:04                   ` Daniel Barkalow
     [not found]                   ` <20060503144522.7b5b7ba5.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-05-03 18:45                     ` sean
2006-05-03 20:58                 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-05-03 21:01                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-05-03 22:13                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-04  0:35                 ` [ANNOUNCE] Revamped Git homepage Petr Baudis
2006-05-04  1:01                   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-05-04  1:23                     ` Petr Baudis
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-05-05  0:56 [ANNOUNCE] Git wiki linux
2006-05-05  6:22 ` Fredrik Kuivinen
2006-05-05  6:26   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-05-05  9:23   ` Petr Baudis
2006-05-05  9:51     ` Junio C Hamano
2006-05-05 16:40       ` Petr Baudis
2006-05-05 16:47       ` Jakub Narebski
2006-05-05 18:49         ` Jakub Narebski
2006-05-05 16:36 ` Petr Baudis
2006-05-05 17:48   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-05 19:04     ` Dave Jones
2006-05-05 18:15 ` Petr Baudis
2006-05-05 18:20   ` Petr Baudis
2006-05-05 18:27   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-05-05 18:31   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-05 18:54     ` Petr Baudis
2006-05-05 19:39       ` Jakub Narebski
2006-05-06 13:37         ` Jakub Narebski
2006-05-05 19:49       ` Junio C Hamano
2006-05-06  6:53         ` Martin Langhoff
2006-05-06  7:14           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-05-06  7:33           ` Jakub Narebski
2006-05-06  7:41             ` Junio C Hamano
2006-05-06 12:46               ` Bertrand Jacquin
2006-05-05 20:45   ` Olivier Galibert

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