From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, BULK_RE_SUSP_NTLD,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU, FROM_SUSPICIOUS_NTLD,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_PDS_OTHER_BAD_TLD shortcircuit=no autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received: from out1.vger.email (out1.vger.email [IPv6:2620:137:e000::1:20]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6331F698 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 23:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: dcvr.yhbt.net; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=164.ooo header.i=@164.ooo header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=protonmail header.b=f+75unxt; dkim-atps=neutral Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S232252AbiLaXXW (ORCPT ); Sat, 31 Dec 2022 18:23:22 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:41710 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229628AbiLaXXV (ORCPT ); Sat, 31 Dec 2022 18:23:21 -0500 Received: from mail-4018.proton.ch (mail-4018.proton.ch [185.70.40.18]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 222665F7A for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 15:23:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 23:23:03 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=164.ooo; s=protonmail; t=1672528994; x=1672788194; bh=odikeDdCJP8Xa1ZUHLLCadeC+tFLXe1Fg4Tpy8TT+VQ=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=f+75unxt5PwTwK4+zgCWVQEAroBzyTGRaVY5l9iypa86HkcHS7gjzNMgf9+/xNRBq TBNZHjFmG46KJH1WSlyIXXlHo0MzHT2sTG2wu1jdRN8csfF67aG4D0dlQ3qVCqg3vG 20AvECdlDG0Pi2NWqzkBAnGTg86EG3ow12rWM8BtyI/oqrUJMtTp7cSOK2Ey4r2Lrs 8e0OFcaljGsCa+rEjLByerqqNjJSreGelqgK4QKR0MhtcJYlwIMZ+Q22sPLGQtlNNT Bju3VcuhLjwLkTIidY2h0WykR14a9/uokoD40d/rdbCe6HW7V2q3Bqio7YFwnF7Yrl 3Wgn39vfRK1OA== To: Theodore Ts'o From: Filip Lipien Cc: "git@vger.kernel.org" , "torvalds@linux-foundation.org" Subject: Re: Request to remove Junio C Hamano as the Git Maintainer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <7hfRSnKTRnT4uJh5Pok8U8gfLm_NXzCS6w_7_Rc9OH3a9Lv8hpjySZqxDglBFC-fTOdZHi-ODCihiEHlQD9nIhUmld5jYvRx_JvB0z2IAL0=@164.ooo> Feedback-ID: 62565958:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org > Incorrect. As of this writing, there are 146,090 quetions[1] tagged > [git] on stackoverflow. Compare that to the 161,963 questions[2] > tagged [windows], or the 2,084,537 questions[3] tagged [python]. Please remain on the topic. Read my initial sentence again. What has "tagge= d" to do with related? And even if, the amount of 146,090 "tagged" question= s is absolute madness. This is insane. Just look at the ratio in comparison= to Python, a programming language. It is crazy to assume that this is fine= and only proves my point. No, Git is not a complex programming language li= ke Python, nor is it a Kernel API. It is supposed to be a user-facing tool = made for humans. The fact is, that Junio C Hamano is doing a terrible job as a product manag= er. Because apparently, most users seem to have a problem with it. Why can = this not be pointed out? ------- Original Message ------- On Saturday, December 31st, 2022 at 8:19 PM, Theodore Ts'o = wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 06:11:17PM +0000, Filip Lipien wrote: >=20 > > There are more than one million questions on Stackoverflow related to t= he usage of Git. > > This is not normal. >=20 >=20 > Incorrect. As of this writing, there are 146,090 quetions[1] tagged > [git] on stackoverflow. Compare that to the 161,963 questions[2] > tagged [windows], or the 2,084,537 questions[3] tagged [python]. >=20 > [1] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/git > [2] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/windows > [3] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/python >=20 > The fact that there are a large number of questions in stackoverflow > is more a measure of a tool's popularity than anything else. And if > it's popular, it's probably because a large number of developers have > found it to be useful. >=20 > > Git is in its current state not a tool that's made for humans. >=20 >=20 > It's made for developers like me, and last I checked, I'm human. :-) > It may not be made for you, but that's OK; you don't have to use it. >=20 > My personal opinion is that it has probably saved a net total of > billions of dollars of developer time, for those who know how to use > it. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > - Ted >=20 > P.S. I would commend to you Neal Stephenson's essay, "In the > beginning was the command line". It was available for sale as a book, > but as it was published a while back in 1999, it's since been made > available for free download[4]. Unfortunately, because it was so > popular, the resulting download traffic crashed his publisher's > website, and it's no longer available there. The best place to get it > is here[5]. >=20 > [4] https://www.nealstephenson.com/in-the-beginning-was-the-command-line.= html > [5] https://github.com/danielmkarlsson/library/blob/master/Neal Stephenso= n - In the Beginning was the Command Line.pdf >=20 > It's a short read; only 60 pages in the PDF. About midway through the > essay, in section 11, there is a comparison made between Linux and the > Hole Hawg, an industrial drill made by the Milwaukee Tool Company. If > Linux is the Hole Hawg of Operating Systems, then perhaps git is the > Hole Hawg of Source Code Management systems. If it's too much SCM for > you; there's no shame --- you can always choose to use lesser SCM's > for your own personal projects. :-)