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From: Lars Schneider <larsxschneider@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	mgorny@gentoo.org, rtc@helen.PLASMA.Xg8.DE,
	winserver.support@winserver.com, tytso@mit.edu
Subject: Re: Optimizing writes to unchanged files during merges?
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 18:07:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F1738316-71EF-4053-82E5-F009F491CCE8@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFxP8j7YbYaRXt-8Y0n8cHafB=FPKMy8gKFYH5QsKX4S=Q@mail.gmail.com>


> On 16 Apr 2018, at 04:03, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 6:44 PM, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think Elijah's corrected was_tracked() also does not care "has
>> this been renamed".
> 
> I'm perfectly happy with the slightly smarter patches. My patch was
> really just an RFC and because I had tried it out.
> 
>> One thing that makes me curious is what happens (and what we want to
>> happen) when such a "we already have the changes the side branch
>> tries to bring in" path has local (i.e. not yet in the index)
>> changes.  For a dirty file that trivially merges (e.g. a path we
>> modified since our histories forked, while the other side didn't do
>> anything, has local changes in the working tree), we try hard to
>> make the merge succeed while keeping the local changes, and we
>> should be able to do the same in this case, too.
> 
> I think it might be nice, but probably not really worth it.
> 
> I find the "you can merge even if some files are dirty" to be really
> convenient, because I often keep stupid test patches in my tree that I
> may not even intend to commit, and I then use the same tree for
> merging.
> 
> For example, I sometimes end up editing the Makefile for the release
> version early, but I won't *commit* that until I actually cut the
> release. But if I pull some branch that has also changed the Makefile,
> it's not worth any complexity to try to be nice about the dirty state.
> 
> If it's a file that actually *has* been changed in the branch I'm
> merging, and I'm more than happy to just stage the patch (or throw it
> away - I think it's about 50:50 for me).
> 
> So I don't think it's a big deal, and I'd rather have the merge fail
> very early with "that file has seen changes in the branch you are
> merging" than add any real complexity to the merge logic.

I am happy to see this discussion and the patches, because long rebuilds 
are a constant annoyance for us. We might have been bitten by the exact 
case discussed here, but more often, we have a slightly different 
situation:

An engineer works on a task branch and runs incremental builds — all 
is good. The engineer switches to another branch to review another 
engineer's work. This other branch changes a low-level header file, 
but no rebuild is triggered. The engineer switches back to the previous 
task branch. At this point, the incremental build will rebuild 
everything, as the compiler thinks that the low-level header file has
been changed (because the mtime is different).

Of course, this problem can be solved with a separate worktree. However, 
our engineers forget about that sometimes, and then, they are annoyed by 
a 4h rebuild.

Is this situation a problem for others too?
If yes, what do you think about the following approach:

What if Git kept a LRU list that contains file path, content hash, and 
mtime of any file that is removed or modified during a checkout. If a 
file is checked out later with the exact same path and content hash, 
then Git could set the mtime to the previous value. This way the 
compiler would not think that the content has been changed since the 
last rebuild.

I think that would fix the problem that our engineers run into and also 
the problem that Linus experienced during the merge, wouldn't it?

Thanks,
Lars

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-16 16:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-12 21:14 Optimizing writes to unchanged files during merges? Linus Torvalds
2018-04-12 21:46 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-12 23:17   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-12 23:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-12 23:41       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-12 23:55         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-13  0:01           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-13  7:02             ` Elijah Newren
2018-04-13 17:14               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-13 17:39                 ` Stefan Beller
2018-04-13 17:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-13 20:04                 ` Elijah Newren
2018-04-13 22:27                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-16  1:44                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-16  2:03                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-16 16:07                     ` Lars Schneider [this message]
2018-04-16 17:04                       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-04-17 17:23                         ` Lars Schneider
2018-04-16 17:43                       ` Jacob Keller
2018-04-16 17:45                         ` Jacob Keller
2018-04-16 22:34                           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-17 17:27                           ` Lars Schneider
2018-04-17 17:43                             ` Jacob Keller
2018-04-16 17:47                       ` Phillip Wood
2018-04-16 20:09                       ` Stefan Haller
2018-04-16 22:55                     ` Elijah Newren
2018-04-16 23:03                   ` Elijah Newren
2018-04-12 23:18   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-13  0:01 ` Elijah Newren

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