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From: Kevin Ballard <kevin@sb.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Peter Karlsson <peter@softwolves.pp.se>,
	Mark Junker <mjscod@web.de>, Pedro Melo <melo@simplicidade.org>,
	"git@vger.kernel.org" <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:04:07 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E3E4F5B3-1740-47E4-A432-C881830E2037@sb.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.00.0801211846010.2957@woody.linux-foundation.org>

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On Jan 21, 2008, at 9:50 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Kevin Ballard wrote:
>>
>> Anyway, please see my countless former emails where I ask to work  
>> towards a
>> solution instead of just arguing.
>
> We know what the solution is:
>
> - The OS X filesystem _is_ crap (and you seem to have almost  
> admitted as
>   much by your comment that the HFS+ designers did it back in the dark
>   ages and didn't mean for it to ever be a server filesystem anyway)

I agree that HFS+ isn't well suited for tasks which it is being asked  
to do. I was never arguing that it was the perfect filesystem. But  
that hardly matters now, I know nobody's going to bother understanding  
my argument so I may as well just stop trying.

> - But we can at least make a wrapper around readdir() return the NFC  
> form
>   on OS X, and effectively hide much of the fallout from the crap.

Again, I don't think that's the correct solution. What about the  
translation table that was suggested back at the beginning of the  
thread? That would solve the case insensitivity issue as well, whereas  
this NFC "solution" does nothing for that.

> There is no way around it. Your "solutions" all seem to boil down to
> asking git to do the same idiotic crap that OS X does, taking all the
> same performance hits, and just generally doing crap just to work  
> around
> crap in your favourite OS.

No, I am not asking git to do the same thing HFS+ does. You just  
persist in misinterpreting my arguments, no matter how many times I  
protest that this is not what I am saying.

> And no, making git be stupid just to suit a stupid filesystem simply  
> isn't
> going to happen.
>
> So how about you see _my_ point instead: OS X may have an inferior
> filesystem, but we don't have to make git inferior just for that.  
> The fact
> that OS X does case independence is *its* problem, not git's.

So, what, you're saying git shouldn't do any work at all to try and  
behave nicer on OS X? Because OS X sure as hell can't change to suit  
git.

-Kevin Ballard

-- 
Kevin Ballard
http://kevin.sb.org
kevin@sb.org
http://www.tildesoft.com



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  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-22  3:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 260+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-16 15:17 git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names Mark Junker
2008-01-16 15:34 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-16 15:43   ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 16:32     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-16 16:46       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-16 20:39         ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 21:51           ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-16 22:06             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 22:23               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-16 23:16                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 22:32               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 22:52                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 23:11                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 23:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 23:57                     ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17  0:16                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17  0:27                         ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17  0:32                           ` David Kastrup
2008-01-17  0:40                             ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17  0:54                               ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17  1:08                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17  1:41                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17  4:07                                     ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17  0:35                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17  0:45                             ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-18  8:29                         ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-18 11:16                           ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-16 23:58                     ` David Kastrup
2008-01-17  0:19                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17  0:09                     ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17  0:25                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17  0:33                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17  0:43                           ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17  0:57                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17  1:06                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17  1:16                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17  3:52                         ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17  4:08                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17  4:30                             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17  4:51                               ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-17  5:23                                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17  6:13                                   ` Geert Bosch
2008-01-17  7:11                                     ` Mitch Tishmack
2008-01-17 10:22                                       ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 13:44                                         ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 15:57                                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 16:53                                             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-18  0:44                                               ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-17 14:02                                     ` Andrew Heybey
2008-01-17 15:04                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-19 19:29                                         ` Kyle Moffett
2008-01-19 19:57                                           ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 10:08                             ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 16:43                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 18:09                                 ` Mark Junker
2008-01-17 18:12                                   ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 18:18                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 18:36                                       ` Mark Junker
2008-01-17 18:38                                       ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 18:44                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 19:02                                       ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 18:42                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 18:50                                     ` Mark Junker
2008-01-17 18:52                                     ` Pedro Melo
     [not found]                                       ` <alpine.LFD.1.00.0801 171100330.14959@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2008-01-17 19:01                                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-17 19:11                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18  0:18                                         ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-18  0:35                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18  1:05                                         ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-18  1:24                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18  4:08                                             ` Brian Dessent
2008-01-18  8:49                                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-18  9:42                                             ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-18 10:30                                               ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-18 15:37                                                 ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-18 17:24                                                   ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-18 10:19                                         ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-18 10:50                                           ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-18 15:30                                             ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-18 17:11                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18 20:24                                             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-19  8:48                                               ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-19 14:55                                                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-19 21:17                                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-19 18:58                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-19 20:39                                                   ` Mark Junker
2008-01-19 22:58                                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-20  6:14                                                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-20  6:53                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20 13:15                                                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-20  0:11                                                   ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-20  1:04                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20  5:27                                                       ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-20  5:45                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20  7:00                                                           ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-20  7:26                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20  8:00                                                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-20  8:12                                                               ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-20  9:34                                                       ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-18 20:28                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-18 20:50                                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-23  2:46                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-01-23  2:57                                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-23 14:26                                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-01-23 21:19                                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-21 14:14                                             ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-21 16:43                                               ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 16:48                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 16:59                                                   ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:43                                                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 20:53                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 21:05                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 23:01                                                         ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 16:53                                                 ` Jeff King
2008-01-21 17:08                                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-01-21 17:25                                                   ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:35                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 20:32                                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 18:12                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 19:05                                                   ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 19:41                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 19:58                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:33                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 20:53                                                           ` Kevin Ballard
     [not found]                                                             ` <alpine.LFD.1.0! 0.0801211323120.2957@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2008-01-21 20:58                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 21:17                                                             ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 21:28                                                               ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 21:43                                                                 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 21:33                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 21:49                                                               ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 22:34                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 22:46                                                                   ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 22:56                                                                     ` Martin Langhoff
     [not found]                                                                       ` <53C76BEA-2232-4940-8776-9DF1880089A4@sb.org>
2008-01-21 23:05                                                                         ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 23:16                                                                         ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-22  0:30                                                                           ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 23:00                                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 23:09                                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 23:44                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22  0:47                                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22  1:01                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22  1:13                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22  2:33                                                                             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22  2:50                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22  3:04                                                                                 ` Kevin Ballard [this message]
2008-01-22  3:17                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22  3:21                                                                                   ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-22  4:22                                                                                     ` Kevin Ballard
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <20080122133427.GB17804@mit.edu>
2008-01-23  0:08                                                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23  0:38                                                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23  1:47                                                                                         ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-23  2:06                                                                                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23  8:45                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-01-23  0:38                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-23  1:14                                                                                         ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-23  1:16                                                                                         ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23  1:27                                                                                           ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-23  1:33                                                                                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23  1:56                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-23  2:02                                                                                             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23  6:41                                                                                           ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-23  8:15                                                                                             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23  8:43                                                                                               ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-23  9:02                                                                                                 ` Jonathan del Strother
2008-01-23  9:12                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-23  9:19                                                                                                     ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-23  9:32                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-23  9:40                                                                                               ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-23 13:38                                                                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23 16:16                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-23 17:12                                                                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23 17:19                                                                                                     ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 17:32                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-24 21:02                                                                                                         ` On pathnames Junio C Hamano
2008-01-24 22:31                                                                                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-01-25  3:55                                                                                                             ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-25  4:18                                                                                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-25  4:12                                                                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-25  8:08                                                                                                               ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-25 12:25                                                                                                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25 12:50                                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-25 12:53                                                                                                                 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-24 23:56                                                                                                           ` Sean
2008-01-25  0:36                                                                                                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25  4:00                                                                                                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-01-25  4:21                                                                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-25 11:36                                                                                                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25 16:25                                                                                                                 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-01-25 17:34                                                                                                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25  5:59                                                                                                             ` Jeff King
2008-01-23 20:18                                                                                                       ` git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names Jay Soffian
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` <1DC841ED-634F-412C-9560-F37E4172A4CD@sb.org>
     [not found]                                                                                                           ` <76718490801231421l7b6552f8sec13f570360198b@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <4F906435-A186-4E98-8865-F185D75F14D4@sb.org>
     [not found]                                                                                                               ` <76718490801231517h6d57e5bfkc19d394d38ad19db@mail.gmail.com>
2008-01-24  2:05                                                                                                                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-24  3:11                                                                                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-24  4:37                                                                                                                     ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-24  5:30                                                                                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-24  6:39                                                                                                                         ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-24 18:17                                                                                                                           ` Mitch Tishmack
2008-01-24 18:52                                                                                                                           ` Mitch Tishmack
2008-01-24 19:58                                                                                                                             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 23:37                                                                                                       ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-23 16:58                                                                                                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 17:39                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-23 17:47                                                                                                     ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 19:57                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 20:01                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:15                                                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 20:31                                                           ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:46                                                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 20:59                                                               ` Kevin Ballard
     [not found]                                                               ` <6E303071-82A4-4D69-AA0C-EC41168B9AFE@sb.org>
2008-01-21 21:18                                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 21:43                                                                   ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 21:49                                                                     ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 21:57                                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22  0:36                                                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-22  0:42                                                                           ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22  0:48                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-01-22  1:06                                                                             ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-22  1:34                                                                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-22  1:53                                                                               ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-22  2:03                                                                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-21 22:38                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-01-22  2:34                                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22  7:51                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 20:56                                                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 21:07                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 22:41                                                         ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 22:53                                                           ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 23:21                                                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 19:44                                                   ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-21 20:36                                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 21:06                                                   ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 21:09                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 21:42                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 22:45                                                       ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 20:30                                                 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 18:16                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 21:27                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-17 22:01                                 ` JM Ibanez
2008-01-17 22:09                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-18  1:27                                     ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-17 23:05                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 23:10                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-16 23:52           ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-16 22:37       ` Eyvind Bernhardsen
2008-01-16 23:03     ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17  7:29     ` Miles Bader
2008-01-17  4:43 ` Jay Soffian
2008-01-17  4:59   ` Jay Soffian
2008-01-17  5:15     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-17 10:28       ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 11:10         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 11:23           ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 11:51             ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 12:53               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 13:40                 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 17:58               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-17 18:22                 ` Johan Herland
2008-01-17 13:05             ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 11:46           ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17  5:11   ` Linus Torvalds

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