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From: Christian Couder <christian.couder@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Ben Peart <peartben@gmail.com>, git <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Ben Peart <Ben.Peart@microsoft.com>,
	Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy <pclouds@gmail.com>,
	Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org>,
	Lars Schneider <larsxschneider@gmail.com>,
	Eric Wong <e@80x24.org>,
	Christian Couder <chriscool@tuxfamily.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH v4 00/49] Add initial experimental external ODB support
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 06:25:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP8UFD3YPXRDc8ThSuTWjKDQ2i+zqNrhBi6JfEuTPXnNA6LUiw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqtw2vnbho.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com>

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 10:33 PM, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> Christian Couder <christian.couder@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>> I think it would be good to ensure the
>>> interface is robust and performant enough to actually replace the current
>>> object store interface (even if we don't actually do that just yet).
>>
>> I agree that it should be robust and performant, but I don't think it
>> needs to be as performant in all cases as the current object store
>> right now.
>
> That sounds like starting from a defeatest position.  Is there a
> reason why you think using an external interface could never perform
> well enough to be usable in everyday work?

Perhaps in the future we will be able to make it as performant as, or
perhaps even more performant, than the current object store, but in
the current implementation the following issues mean that it will be
less performant:

- The external object stores are searched for an object after the
object has not been found in the current object store. This means that
searching for an object will be slower if the object is in an external
object store. To overcome this the "have" information (when the
external helper implements it) could be merged with information about
what objects are in the current object store, for example in a big
table or bitmap, so that only one lookup in this table or bitmap would
be needed to know if an object is available and in which object store
it is. But I really don't want to get into this right now.

- When an external odb helper retrieves an object and passes it to
Git, Git (or the helper itself in "fault in" mode) then stores the
object in the current object store. This is because we assume that it
will be faster to retrieve it again if it is cached in the current
object store. There could be a capability that asks Git to not cache
the objects that are retrieved from the external odb, but again I
don't think it is necessary at all to implement this right now.

I still think though that in some cases, like when the external odb is
used to implement a bundle clone, using the external odb mechanism can
already be more performant.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-02  4:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-20  7:54 [RFC/PATCH v4 00/49] Add initial experimental external ODB support Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 01/49] builtin/clone: get rid of 'value' strbuf Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 02/49] t0021/rot13-filter: refactor packet reading functions Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 03/49] t0021/rot13-filter: improve 'if .. elsif .. else' style Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 04/49] Add Git/Packet.pm from parts of t0021/rot13-filter.pl Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 05/49] t0021/rot13-filter: use Git/Packet.pm Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 06/49] Git/Packet.pm: improve error message Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 07/49] Git/Packet.pm: add packet_initialize() Christian Couder
2017-06-23 18:55   ` Ben Peart
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 08/49] Git/Packet: add capability functions Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 09/49] Add initial external odb support Christian Couder
2017-06-23 19:49   ` Ben Peart
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 10/49] external odb foreach Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 11/49] t0400: add 'put' command to odb-helper script Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 12/49] external odb: add write support Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 13/49] external-odb: accept only blobs for now Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 14/49] t0400: add test for external odb write support Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 15/49] Add GIT_NO_EXTERNAL_ODB env variable Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 16/49] Add t0410 to test external ODB transfer Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 17/49] lib-httpd: pass config file to start_httpd() Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 18/49] lib-httpd: add upload.sh Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 19/49] lib-httpd: add list.sh Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 20/49] lib-httpd: add apache-e-odb.conf Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 21/49] odb-helper: add 'store_plain_objects' to 'struct odb_helper' Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 22/49] pack-objects: don't pack objects in external odbs Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 23/49] t0420: add test with HTTP external odb Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 24/49] odb-helper: start fault in implementation Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:54 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 25/49] external-odb: add external_odb_fault_in_object() Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 26/49] odb-helper: add script_mode Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 27/49] Documentation: add read-object-protocol.txt Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 28/49] contrib: add long-running-read-object/example.pl Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 29/49] Add t0410 to test read object mechanism Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 30/49] odb-helper: add read_object_process() Christian Couder
2017-07-10 15:57   ` Ben Peart
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 31/49] external-odb: add external_odb_get_capabilities() Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 32/49] t04*: add 'get_cap' support to helpers Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 33/49] odb-helper: call odb_helper_lookup() with 'have' capability Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 34/49] odb-helper: fix odb_helper_fetch_object() for read_object Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 35/49] Add t0460 to test passing git objects Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 36/49] odb-helper: add read_packetized_git_object_to_fd() Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 37/49] odb-helper: add read_packetized_plain_object_to_fd() Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 38/49] Add t0470 to test passing plain objects Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 39/49] odb-helper: add write_object_process() Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 40/49] Add t0480 to test "have" capability and plain objects Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 41/49] external-odb: add external_odb_do_fetch_object() Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 42/49] odb-helper: advertise 'have' capability Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 43/49] odb-helper: advertise 'put' capability Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 44/49] odb-helper: add have_object_process() Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 45/49] clone: add initial param to write_remote_refs() Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 46/49] clone: add --initial-refspec option Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 47/49] clone: disable external odb before initial clone Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 48/49] Add test for 'clone --initial-refspec' Christian Couder
2017-06-20  7:55 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 49/49] t: add t0430 to test cloning using bundles Christian Couder
2017-06-20 13:48 ` [RFC/PATCH v4 00/49] Add initial experimental external ODB support Christian Couder
2017-06-23 18:24 ` Ben Peart
2017-07-01 19:41   ` Christian Couder
2017-07-01 20:12     ` Christian Couder
2017-07-01 20:33     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-07-02  4:25       ` Christian Couder [this message]
2017-07-03 16:56         ` Junio C Hamano
2017-07-06 17:36     ` Ben Peart
2017-09-15 12:56       ` Christian Couder
2017-07-12 19:06 ` Jonathan Tan
2017-09-15 13:16   ` Christian Couder

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