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From: Simon Pieters <simon@bocoup.com>
To: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>, git@vger.kernel.org
Cc: don@goodman-wilson.com
Subject: Re: Rename offensive terminology (master)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 17:16:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOAHyQx=+fM1FpAv+g3M+j7j4MgLJA03=MGFmXLvZcfJKAEpGg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200505231641.GH6530@camp.crustytoothpaste.net>

Thank you for your encouraging response, Brian, and the research of
what the change entails for git.

I've added Don to the cc, who started to work on implementing this change:

https://twitter.com/DEGoodmanWilson/status/1269931743320182784
https://github.com/git-for-windows/git/issues/2674

Although I think it's reasonable to move away from 'master' regardless
of its origin, today Tobie Langel pointed me to
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2019-May/msg00066.html
where, one year ago, Bastien Nocera made the case that git's 'master'
is in fact a reference to master/slave.

If someone is interested in helping with this, please follow up with
Don. But I would like to ask again for git mainline to seriously
consider adopting this change, given the information presented above
and the ongoing movement against systemic racism.

cheers,

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 1:17 AM brian m. carlson
<sandals@crustytoothpaste.net> wrote:
>
> On 2020-05-04 at 17:20:33, Simon Pieters wrote:
> > "master" is an offensive term, as it can be interpreted as being
> > slavery-origin terminology. See
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master/slave_(technology)#Terminology_concerns
> >
> > The Python programming language, and various other projects, have
> > taken a stance and moved away from offensive terminology including
> > "master". See https://bugs.python.org/issue34605
> >
> > When different projects using git decide to move away from "master" as
> > the name of their main branch, inconsistency ensues between projects.
> > See https://github.com/desktop/desktop/issues/6478 (and "Related
> > Issues and Projects").
> >
> > To avoid offensive terminology and to avoid further inconsistency, I
> > think git should use a different branch name than "master" when
> > initiating a repo. I don't have a strong opinion, but I like "main"
> > since it shares the first two characters and it's shorter.
>
> I've been busy and haven't had much time to respond to this, but I've
> gotten some feedback from other people on this issue and so I'll share a
> few thoughts.
>
> Others have pointed out that "master" meaning a canonical source may not
> share the problematic origins mentioned above.  From feedback I've
> received, I get the impression that "master", even though from a
> different origin, brings the idea of human bondage and suffering to mind
> for a non-trivial number of people, which of course was not the
> intention and is undesirable.  I suspect if we were making the decision
> today, we'd pick another name, since that's not what we want people to
> think of when they use Git.
>
> Clearly we have compatibility concerns to consider though, so if we
> decided to make a change, we'd probably want to make it in a 3.0, which
> as far as I'm aware hasn't been discussed yet.  I also wondered what
> such a change would involve, so I did some research.
>
> It appears that if we made the obvious one-line change to
> builtin/init-db.c, we'd have 304 tests that fail, which is about a third
> of our test suite.  I haven't examined any of these tests, so I don't
> know what would be involved in changing them.  I imagine a project to do
> so would involve setting an environment variable in the test setup code
> (e.g., MAIN_BRANCH) and replacing instances of "master" with that until
> everything works with an alternate value of that variable.  Picking the
> new name itself could be deferred until later, and we could choose from
> some popular alternatives.
>
> There's also the documentation, which at first glance seems mostly to be
> examples, many of which could be changed to any suitable branch name.
> There are a large number of those cases and someone would have to audit
> them all.
>
> So it looks like this would be a reasonable amount of work for someone
> if they decided to pick it up as a project.  Since I have limited free
> time and am working on the SHA-256 transition, I won't be doing this,
> but if someone did pick it up, I would be happy to do some reviews,
> provide feedback, and include a few patches while doing other work in
> the area.
>
> I realize there isn't agreement on a direction forward or whether this
> is worth doing at all, but since Git usually operates by providing
> feedback on an initial set of patches, I thought I'd sketch out what
> that might look like for folks who were interested.
>
> I should point out that it's also possible for users who dislike the
> current name to use a template to change the default branch name like
> so (using the proposed "main"):
>
>   mkdir -p ~/Templates/git
>   cp -a /usr/share/git-core/templates/* ~/Templates/git
>   echo 'ref: refs/heads/main' > ~/Templates/git/HEAD
>   git config --global init.templateDir ~/Templates/git
>
> Then "git init" will set your default branch to "main" instead of
> "master".  This does have the weirdness that it claims it's
> reinitializing your repository, but otherwise appears to work.  That is
> of course orthogonal to changing Git itself, but is an option for folks
> who'd like to make a change now.
> --
> brian m. carlson: Houston, Texas, US
> OpenPGP: https://keybase.io/bk2204



-- 
Simon Pieters
Bocoup https://bocoup.com/

  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-09 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-04 17:20 Rename offensive terminology (master) Simon Pieters
2020-05-04 17:43 ` Robert P. J. Day
2020-05-04 23:10   ` N6Ghost
2020-05-04 17:45 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-05-04 18:31   ` Simon Pieters
2020-05-04 17:53 ` Robert P. J. Day
2020-05-04 18:18   ` Randall S. Becker
2020-05-05 23:16 ` brian m. carlson
2020-06-09 15:16   ` Simon Pieters [this message]
2020-06-09 16:02     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-09 16:28       ` demerphq
2020-06-09 18:10       ` Johannes Sixt
2020-06-09 19:02         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-09 20:52       ` Simon Pieters
2020-06-09 21:03         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-09 21:29           ` Simon Pieters
2020-06-10  9:51         ` Robert P. J. Day
2020-06-10 11:16           ` Kevin Swinton
2020-06-10 12:18           ` Don Goodman-Wilson
2020-06-10 16:30             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-14  0:03             ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14  0:00         ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14  0:45           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-14  0:50             ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14  6:32               ` Don Goodman-Wilson
2020-06-14  6:34                 ` Don Goodman-Wilson
2020-06-14  8:47                   ` Sergey Lapin
2020-06-14  8:48                     ` Sergey Lapin
2020-06-14 12:07                   ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-16  7:31                 ` demerphq
2020-06-16  8:38                   ` Oleg
2020-06-16 19:33                     ` Elijah Newren
2020-06-17  1:17                       ` Sergey Lapin
2020-06-17  7:45                       ` Oleg
2020-06-16 10:04               ` Alex Smith
2020-06-16 11:29                 ` Konstantin Tokarev
2020-06-16 11:39                   ` Robert P. J. Day
2020-06-16 11:39                   ` Oleg
2020-06-17  7:27                   ` Sergey Organov
     [not found]                 ` <c0c2d9ad-1d67-8ebe-0063-524005ca97fe@whinis.com>
2020-06-16 11:38                   ` Whinis
2020-06-16 12:16                     ` Oleg
2020-06-16 13:30                     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-16 13:55                       ` John Turner
2020-06-16 14:14                         ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-16 14:29                           ` Whinis
2020-06-16 16:19                           ` Alex Smith
2020-06-16 15:49                         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-16 16:09                           ` Whinis
2020-06-16 14:24                       ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-16 14:27                       ` Oleg
2020-06-16 16:03                         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-16 17:27                           ` Oleg
2020-06-16 17:42                             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-16 18:35                               ` Sergey Lapin
2020-06-16 19:03                               ` Oleg
2020-06-09 16:06     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-09 19:01       ` Don Goodman-Wilson
2020-06-14  0:05         ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14 19:08           ` brian m. carlson
2020-06-14  8:49             ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-06-14 19:17             ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-15  2:16             ` Taylor Blau
2020-06-15  2:54               ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-09 22:36     ` brian m. carlson
2020-06-16  8:50     ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-10 21:30   ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-06-10 22:35     ` Edward Thomson
2020-06-10 22:51     ` brian m. carlson
2020-06-11 11:52     ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-11 11:59       ` Don Goodman-Wilson
2020-06-11 12:52         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-06-11 15:14           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-14  2:59             ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-06-15 10:07               ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-12 13:21           ` Philip Oakley
2020-06-14  0:41             ` Elijah Newren
2020-06-14 10:54               ` Philip Oakley
2020-06-14 12:20                 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14 13:58                   ` Don Goodman-Wilson
2020-06-14 14:05                     ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-15  3:52                     ` Andrew Ardill
2020-06-15  4:45                       ` J. Paul Reed
2020-06-15  5:19                         ` Andrew Ardill
2020-06-17  8:27                     ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-14 18:19                   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-14 18:23                     ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14 19:04                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-14 19:08                         ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14 19:16                           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-14 20:41                       ` Philip Oakley
2020-06-16  7:36                       ` demerphq
2020-06-16  7:43                         ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-16  8:01                           ` demerphq
2020-06-16  8:59                             ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-17 19:56                             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-17 20:10                               ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-06-17 20:17                                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-06-18  7:57                                   ` demerphq
2020-06-18  8:38                                     ` Oleg
2020-06-18 10:17                                       ` demerphq
2020-06-18 15:23                                     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-18  7:40                               ` demerphq
2020-06-18 18:04                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-14 21:06                     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-14 21:15                       ` Eric Wong
2020-06-14 21:39                         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-15 18:07                   ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-06-15 18:18                     ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
     [not found]                       ` <CAAwdEzDgJuoQJAZsrT0piuZPVP6nJTSB9RCbcuXO03-BYTnmOQ@mail.gmail.com>
2020-06-15 19:37                         ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-15 19:50                           ` Alexandru Pătrănescu
2020-06-15 20:44                             ` Elijah Newren
2020-06-15 20:42                           ` Randall S. Becker
2020-06-15  0:34     ` James Ramsay
2020-06-15 21:38     ` Elijah Newren
2020-06-15 21:46       ` Elijah Newren
2020-06-16 21:07     ` ZeeVriend
2020-06-17  7:49       ` Oleg
2020-06-17 20:48         ` ZeeVriend
2020-06-18  8:28           ` Oleg
2020-06-17 20:52         ` ZeeVriend
2020-06-13 23:56   ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-13 23:53 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14 14:59 ` Thomas Adam
2020-06-14  8:04   ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-06-14 15:13   ` Michael Felt (aixtools)
2020-06-14  8:27     ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-06-14 15:51     ` George Of The Jungle
2020-06-14 15:20 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-15  0:02 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-15 14:39 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-15 14:39 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-15 23:15 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-16  1:00 ` Fang-Pen Lin
2020-06-16  1:38 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-21 19:50 ` Social Justice Movements [was: Rename offensive terminology (master)] Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2020-06-23 23:21 ` Rename offensive terminology (master) Gunnar Liljas
2020-06-24  1:16   ` Whinis
2020-06-24  8:19   ` lego_12239
2020-06-26 10:08     ` Gunnar Liljas
2020-06-26 10:34       ` Oleg
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-06-14 15:09 Michael Felt (aixtools)
2020-06-15 21:05 frederik
2020-06-16  0:16 Abram Wiebe
2020-06-16  0:23 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-06-16 12:54   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-16 15:53     ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-17 11:34 Alastair Houghton
2020-06-17 11:49 ` Oleg
     [not found] ` <CAGqqT2w=ntxd6RNkpy175TbgiudUSOc0tAPoDsbjv=4V+73cXw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <CAGqqT2zFkCUTdUnzdp4oTR2cnxBpKeY-EZtxacLLVDsF8Jiekw@mail.gmail.com>
2020-06-17 12:27     ` Zac McChesney
     [not found] <'CAOAHyQyn_ow7_nCJ+Jorr76_=1=_kuBAD1KhqReqVfRQQbmgiw@mail.gmail.com'>
2020-06-26 18:37 ` Neil Stoddard
2020-06-29  8:59   ` Michal Suchánek
2020-08-08  3:46 Jefferson Carpenter

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