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From: "Martin Ågren" <martin.agren@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Simon Ruderich <simon@ruderich.org>,
	Brandon Williams <bmwill@google.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Bryan Turner <bturner@atlassian.com>,
	Jeff Hostetler <git@jeffhostetler.com>,
	Jonathan Tan <jonathantanmy@google.com>,
	Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 03/10] protocol: introduce protocol extention mechanisms
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2017 16:24:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAN0heSpgZij9qO7NqoT6JWjDdGcJHJjReB-4Ps1MmOvs=857Lw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGZ79kYnhxZs0ptpuiSuBhwYBfOm8NiK4a15Zwas6vbjWWZukA@mail.gmail.com>

On 6 October 2017 at 22:27, Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com> wrote:
>> I might be naive in thinking that protocol.version could be removed or
>> redefined at our discretion just because it's marked as "experimental".
>
> Well the redefinition might very well occur, when we now say "set to v1
> to test v1 and fallback to v0 otherwise", but long term we want a white
> or black list or some other protocol selection strategy encoded in this
> configuration (we would not want to introduce yet another config to work
> around the initial "failed experiment", would we?)
>
> And hence I would be careful how we define the meaning of
> protocol.version now.

Good points. If we want to go for a more general / future-proof wording
now, then we must already now implement the config-parsing as "does this
string contain the word '1'" instead of "is this string exactly '1'". If
we claim that "34 1 5" is a valid configuration, then the implementation
should accept it. (We'd probably also want to verify that there are only
integers and spaces in the string.)

> For example we could instead now claim "protocol.version is a whitelist
> of protocol versions, order is not specified. The only guarantee we're willing
> to give is that no protocol is used that is not on the list".

If we want to be able to list more than one version, we need to define
how to signal preference from the first day, IMHO. (I know you just gave
an example; I'm simply responding with what I think makes that example
non-ideal.)

The fact that v0 is requested by lack of data and all other protocols
(whether v1 or v34) have to be requested by presence of data, is a bit
unfortunate and it is bound to bleed through into the definitions, at
least until v0 is simply ripped out of git.git. Ok, this definition
suggests that "1 0" will be the preferred variant for checking basic
robustness, while "1" will be how to ensure you have a peer which knows
v1.

> All I was trying to say initially is that "we may try (one of) protocol.version,
> but fall back to whatever (currently v0)" is too broad. We'd need to redefine
> it shortly in the foreseeable future already.

Yes we would. I'll post a suggestion elsewhere in the thread.

Martin

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-08 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-13 21:54 [PATCH 0/8] protocol transition Brandon Williams
2017-09-13 21:54 ` [PATCH 1/8] pkt-line: add packet_write function Brandon Williams
2017-09-13 21:54 ` [PATCH 2/8] protocol: introduce protocol extention mechanisms Brandon Williams
2017-09-13 22:27   ` Stefan Beller
2017-09-18 17:02     ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-18 18:34       ` Stefan Beller
2017-09-18 19:58         ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-18 20:06           ` Stefan Beller
2017-09-13 21:54 ` [PATCH 3/8] daemon: recognize hidden request arguments Brandon Williams
2017-09-13 22:31   ` Stefan Beller
2017-09-18 16:56     ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-21  0:24   ` Jonathan Tan
2017-09-21  0:31     ` Jonathan Tan
2017-09-21 21:55       ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-13 21:54 ` [PATCH 4/8] upload-pack, receive-pack: introduce protocol version 1 Brandon Williams
2017-09-13 21:54 ` [PATCH 5/8] connect: teach client to recognize v1 server response Brandon Williams
2017-09-13 21:54 ` [PATCH 6/8] connect: tell server that the client understands v1 Brandon Williams
2017-09-13 21:54 ` [PATCH 7/8] http: " Brandon Williams
2017-09-13 21:54 ` [PATCH 8/8] i5700: add interop test for protocol transition Brandon Williams
2017-09-20 18:48 ` [PATCH 1.5/8] connect: die when a capability line comes after a ref Brandon Williams
2017-09-20 19:14   ` Jeff King
2017-09-20 20:06     ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-20 20:48       ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-09-21  3:02       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-21 20:45       ` [PATCH] connect: in ref advertisement, shallows are last Jonathan Tan
2017-09-21 23:45         ` [PATCH v2] " Jonathan Tan
2017-09-22  0:00           ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-22  0:08             ` [PATCH v3] " Jonathan Tan
2017-09-22  1:06               ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-22  1:39                 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-22 16:45                   ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-22 20:15                     ` [PATCH v4] " Jonathan Tan
2017-09-22 21:01                       ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-22 22:16                         ` Jonathan Tan
2017-09-24  0:52                       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-26 18:21         ` [PATCH v5] " Jonathan Tan
2017-09-26 18:31           ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-26 23:56 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] protocol transition Brandon Williams
2017-09-26 23:56   ` [PATCH v2 1/9] connect: in ref advertisement, shallows are last Brandon Williams
2017-09-26 23:56   ` [PATCH v2 2/9] pkt-line: add packet_write function Brandon Williams
2017-09-26 23:56   ` [PATCH v2 3/9] protocol: introduce protocol extention mechanisms Brandon Williams
2017-09-27  5:17     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-27 11:23       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-29 21:20         ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-28 21:58       ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-27  6:30     ` Stefan Beller
2017-09-28 21:04       ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-26 23:56   ` [PATCH v2 4/9] daemon: recognize hidden request arguments Brandon Williams
2017-09-27  5:20     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-27 21:22       ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-28 16:57         ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-26 23:56   ` [PATCH v2 5/9] upload-pack, receive-pack: introduce protocol version 1 Brandon Williams
2017-09-27  5:23     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-27 21:29       ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-26 23:56   ` [PATCH v2 6/9] connect: teach client to recognize v1 server response Brandon Williams
2017-09-27  1:07     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-27 17:34       ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-27  5:29     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-28 22:08       ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-26 23:56   ` [PATCH v2 7/9] connect: tell server that the client understands v1 Brandon Williams
2017-09-27  6:21     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-27  6:29       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-29 21:32         ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-28 22:20       ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-26 23:56   ` [PATCH v2 8/9] http: " Brandon Williams
2017-09-27  6:24     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-27 21:36       ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-26 23:56   ` [PATCH v2 9/9] i5700: add interop test for protocol transition Brandon Williams
2017-10-03 20:14   ` [PATCH v3 00/10] " Brandon Williams
2017-10-03 20:14     ` [PATCH v3 01/10] connect: in ref advertisement, shallows are last Brandon Williams
2017-10-10 18:14       ` Jonathan Tan
2017-10-03 20:14     ` [PATCH v3 02/10] pkt-line: add packet_write function Brandon Williams
2017-10-10 18:15       ` Jonathan Tan
2017-10-03 20:15     ` [PATCH v3 03/10] protocol: introduce protocol extention mechanisms Brandon Williams
2017-10-06  9:09       ` Simon Ruderich
2017-10-06  9:40         ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-06 11:11           ` Martin Ågren
2017-10-06 12:09             ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-06 19:42               ` Martin Ågren
2017-10-06 20:27                 ` Stefan Beller
2017-10-08 14:24                   ` Martin Ågren [this message]
2017-10-10 21:00             ` Brandon Williams
2017-10-10 21:17               ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-10 21:32                 ` Stefan Beller
2017-10-11  0:39                 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-13 22:46                 ` Brandon Williams
2017-10-09  4:05           ` Martin Ågren
2017-10-10 19:51       ` Jonathan Tan
2017-10-03 20:15     ` [PATCH v3 04/10] daemon: recognize hidden request arguments Brandon Williams
2017-10-10 18:24       ` Jonathan Tan
2017-10-13 22:04         ` Brandon Williams
2017-10-03 20:15     ` [PATCH v3 05/10] upload-pack, receive-pack: introduce protocol version 1 Brandon Williams
2017-10-10 18:28       ` Jonathan Tan
2017-10-13 22:18         ` Brandon Williams
2017-10-03 20:15     ` [PATCH v3 06/10] connect: teach client to recognize v1 server response Brandon Williams
2017-10-03 20:15     ` [PATCH v3 07/10] connect: tell server that the client understands v1 Brandon Williams
2017-10-10 18:30       ` Jonathan Tan
2017-10-13 22:56         ` Brandon Williams
2017-10-03 20:15     ` [PATCH v3 08/10] http: " Brandon Williams
2017-10-03 20:15     ` [PATCH v3 09/10] i5700: add interop test for protocol transition Brandon Williams
2017-10-03 20:15     ` [PATCH v3 10/10] ssh: introduce a 'simple' ssh variant Brandon Williams
2017-10-03 21:42       ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-16 17:18         ` Brandon Williams
2017-10-23 21:28           ` [PATCH 0/5] Coping with unrecognized ssh wrapper scripts in GIT_SSH Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-23 21:29             ` [PATCH 1/5] connect: split git:// setup into a separate function Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-23 22:16               ` Stefan Beller
2017-10-24  0:09                 ` [WIP PATCH] diff: add option to ignore whitespaces for move detection only Stefan Beller
2017-10-24 18:48                   ` Brandon Williams
2017-10-25  1:25                     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-25  1:26                       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-25 18:58                         ` Brandon Williams
2017-10-24  1:54                 ` [PATCH 1/5] connect: split git:// setup into a separate function Junio C Hamano
2017-10-24  2:52                   ` Stefan Beller
2017-10-23 21:30             ` [PATCH 2/5] connect: split ssh command line options into " Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-23 21:48               ` Stefan Beller
2017-10-23 21:31             ` [PATCH 3/5] ssh: 'auto' variant to select between 'ssh' and 'simple' Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-23 22:19               ` Jonathan Tan
2017-10-23 22:43                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-23 22:51                   ` Brandon Williams
2017-10-23 22:57                     ` Jonathan Tan
2017-10-23 23:16                       ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Coping with unrecognized ssh wrapper scripts in GIT_SSH Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-23 23:17                         ` [PATCH 1/5] connect: split git:// setup into a separate function Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-24  1:44                           ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-15 20:25                             ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-11-17  1:12                               ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-23 23:17                         ` [PATCH 2/5] connect: split ssh command line options into " Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-24  2:01                           ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-23 23:18                         ` [PATCH 3/5] ssh: 'auto' variant to select between 'ssh' and 'simple' Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-23 23:27                           ` Brandon Williams
2017-10-23 23:33                             ` Stefan Beller
2017-10-23 23:19                         ` [PATCH 4/5] ssh: 'simple' variant does not support -4/-6 Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-23 23:19                         ` [PATCH 5/5] ssh: 'simple' variant does not support --port Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-24  2:22                         ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Coping with unrecognized ssh wrapper scripts in GIT_SSH Junio C Hamano
2017-10-23 23:12                     ` [PATCH 3/5] ssh: 'auto' variant to select between 'ssh' and 'simple' Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-23 22:33               ` Stefan Beller
2017-10-23 22:54                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-24  2:16               ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-25 12:51               ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-10-25 16:18                 ` Stefan Beller
2017-10-25 16:32                   ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-30  0:40                     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-30 12:37                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-10-23 21:32             ` [PATCH 4/5] ssh: 'simple' variant does not support -4/-6 Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-23 21:33             ` [PATCH 5/5] ssh: 'simple' variant does not support --port Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-23 22:37               ` Stefan Beller
2017-10-04  6:20     ` [PATCH v3 00/10] protocol transition Junio C Hamano
2017-10-10 19:39     ` [PATCH] Documentation: document Extra Parameters Jonathan Tan
2017-10-13 22:26       ` Brandon Williams
2017-10-16 17:55     ` [PATCH v4 00/11] protocol transition Brandon Williams
2017-10-16 17:55       ` [PATCH v4 01/11] connect: in ref advertisement, shallows are last Brandon Williams
2017-10-16 17:55       ` [PATCH v4 02/11] pkt-line: add packet_write function Brandon Williams
2017-10-16 17:55       ` [PATCH v4 03/11] protocol: introduce protocol extension mechanisms Brandon Williams
2017-10-16 21:25         ` Kevin Daudt
2017-10-16 17:55       ` [PATCH v4 04/11] daemon: recognize hidden request arguments Brandon Williams
2017-10-16 17:55       ` [PATCH v4 05/11] upload-pack, receive-pack: introduce protocol version 1 Brandon Williams
2017-10-16 17:55       ` [PATCH v4 06/11] connect: teach client to recognize v1 server response Brandon Williams
2017-10-16 17:55       ` [PATCH v4 07/11] connect: tell server that the client understands v1 Brandon Williams
2017-10-16 17:55       ` [PATCH v4 08/11] http: " Brandon Williams
2017-10-16 17:55       ` [PATCH v4 09/11] i5700: add interop test for protocol transition Brandon Williams
2017-10-16 17:55       ` [PATCH v4 10/11] ssh: introduce a 'simple' ssh variant Brandon Williams
2017-10-16 17:55       ` [PATCH v4 11/11] Documentation: document Extra Parameters Brandon Williams

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