From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032E21F66F for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 14:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726700AbgKROQp (ORCPT ); Wed, 18 Nov 2020 09:16:45 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:36990 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726638AbgKROQp (ORCPT ); Wed, 18 Nov 2020 09:16:45 -0500 Received: from mail-wr1-x42a.google.com (mail-wr1-x42a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42a]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 928FFC0613D4 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 06:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wr1-x42a.google.com with SMTP id r17so2419604wrw.1 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 06:16:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OwsWJSK14kfxg1iN5mCg2N3JJba4qBNLiGyzRVFZ5CE=; b=rTIBBZYydHoaEfFXmqx/CYq0s+jg1ilk3SdgZVBvEVJ4K3hbZ/MA/5dSnx6UyGzQw4 GmvdDQhqj28Rwfyk4p69c/zh6UkZnHrCW3ib102GVbqWnZwyRCmmmsmwm0O7+Ghnru2K 5youstZIELTuVx+DnupmYSG4jRTC3XALVCOp8AkgtcIg6OIKl2w8FpR1JNtn48FEZa7x dOM11K9Ts6qiKwKc1lngxLZH7nP9aNy/cQ1miMaJgToWvgBribD51hE/FcW8JEdljixv EyF+m84ZYfGgFmPx1Q2omHbneji2fr+BPYZQg8QrzF4WL/OUmnq721dzb22/cFMXxGln Eo3g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OwsWJSK14kfxg1iN5mCg2N3JJba4qBNLiGyzRVFZ5CE=; b=nu7wcoRDrQpTAAXkjHNLaJ39h0U+2FExOjuyhnJhef1HdpQ/SN5EzsE9qI7cxa0/cS pMT09Pt2MF8yB/csUJu5R1fkw/7TbEmILvPFkuPaPZqJzq+1YKGWlX7s+y+IRRQ8B0R/ UWN82U3ungBn9ExEAIbhimcIHt7nPDO5XKWwQCbC3lHPnd/TIQH3GylJAGFM1up/7SFp 5fsM/dWX4gPaEbmUcmb4Vc6J80MrKUXHtUn+f9iOYa9BnufYOjhrtTtbbMhls8pP/1NU t01TTWTpUW32nes/rsqltwSVIV2lindWWPOSZsZ/yGq1wRpcYFrolbOgCaegxHGvsfZA QRRA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530iQi74pAKI7gxtjjEA1VXTifrvOV6xmMkSuc1COwC9VLEd/2n2 TxxY4WVG/Nrk5fNfAsjMdXFB3jxVLxaohW5soc4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxww0zGxFXrrlZPfb8/Dq4fGkLO0Chv9NLc4McBNqt0kEOBTe7I6N9ubk9xoiSRouTlCUM0T8c2OtGKeBJF/SA= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4349:: with SMTP id u9mr4971768wrr.319.1605709003291; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 06:16:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20201113161320.16458-1-avarab@gmail.com> <20201113191418.GA764688@coredump.intra.peff.net> <87h7psg6lz.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> <87ima2rdsm.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87ima2rdsm.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> From: Felipe Contreras Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 08:16:32 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH] tests: support testing with an arbitrary default branch (sort of) To: =?UTF-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsCBCamFybWFzb24=?= Cc: Johannes Schindelin , Jeff King , Git , Junio C Hamano , "Theodore Ts'o" , Don Goodman-Wilson , "brian m. carlson" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 7:32 AM =C3=86var Arnfj=C3=B6r=C3=B0 Bjarmason wrote: > I do 100% agree that the s/master/main/g change of the default should be > made in one form or another. In my mind that doesn't even require a > consideration of the political motivations at this point as far as > git.git is concerned, just: Others disagree. While the political motivation shouldn't be a central concern, I suspect the vast majority of users have no idea this change is coming, and when they see the warning they will likely complain... Strongly. The fact that this change is extremely politically charged will become a factor. > 1. Major Git hosting providers already made the change That's their decision. The Git project shouldn't be held hostage to third party decisions. > 2. Realistically a lot/majority of git's user base interact with that > in a major way. > > 3. A discrepancy in any default between /usr/bin/git and those > providers is more confusing than not. That's a problem for GitHub et al. Fortunately they can tell their users to set init.defaultbranch to whatever they want. > 4. #3 doesn't mean they say "jump" we say "how high" whatever the > change is. > > But in this case the default is an entirely arbitrary default. Not > e.g. that they decided to add some ill-thought out header to the > object format or whatever. I don't agree it is arbitrary, otherwise you could set the default to "loremipsum". Moreover, even if was arbitrary, it was arbitrary in 2005, not 2020 where "master" is already widely used in basically *all* the documentation everywhere. Some people have been using this name for 15 years, they won't give it up just like that. People will complain, especially if they don't see a good reason for the ch= ange. --=20 Felipe Contreras