From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS3215 2.6.0.0/16 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from out1.vger.email (out1.vger.email [IPv6:2620:137:e000::1:20]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC8F1F54E for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2022 02:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: dcvr.yhbt.net; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="fP8f8wWa"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S240097AbiHNCF5 (ORCPT ); Sat, 13 Aug 2022 22:05:57 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:56810 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229731AbiHNCF4 (ORCPT ); Sat, 13 Aug 2022 22:05:56 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-x62b.google.com (mail-ej1-x62b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62b]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02F3518347 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2022 19:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x62b.google.com with SMTP id qn6so8052009ejc.11 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2022 19:05:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc; bh=1JCG5TtOsvZHzfgJNC4H4l4Y7xuvs+vhuqpMrvcUUWM=; b=fP8f8wWa9ffp2j9aY6/Reg7OT6csuiLuncztdLzYL10MpiZDm3jCDzok7J4usOBb/m Xo9BisXPETdf14e0PnK9mWW4e0vfTK3Z0hJuQeffc9goUs8FOoY4bK2aP05MKJ8kMpRw YKEN9DtG3SpGnFRCh/QMrBfdZ8eL8E+U70LEuXwXP+05l+oi7m9Zl39uK8kFAokCRptb HO03N4z8P5KVUoO7CPyctbP58+1+AEtvhUPgEJqb2DGxcCzMj9xUwmWPfox1RrZaPIfP wzBx6x9DFZkoHIe0ltypt125/7ot2zGkvGvY0bq003HNKGkSc9TjQKDUR4niLwZ33CFz 8WoQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc; bh=1JCG5TtOsvZHzfgJNC4H4l4Y7xuvs+vhuqpMrvcUUWM=; b=FlMiwREElPyhPP5H7hxubFGcFHe5qVipS1/9UgOz7pQPA/d4BizR35XekqVk4O8eGf 2yxXt5ObxNrVSPWt3IMIv2OmtGmlJn9QoMurjvM7ppxh2vapRsCBJK+KOsit0DTDCN1m 01g+ZtVZDuqLv6idrseVZMlvTaMdmRKUat6oJHBD6om+YNOOKwpk/5C7Wk/9R63Vqns+ 783mNYmJpFPcGAeL1f6i3zYVLvCXGeTFPMkYJF4Qd9QYILlguJgyjQWfsNSLNDWHO3sl SVRSJVTIABpYeoi+d+GAN+KaiWYMZARxgIPDebkbjDzkJCuvv9xhooGfJBR9WWyaihzd gaZA== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo0n/2UEmYfAtGdOBAgOf5e/hw2b5rcAAuqjoyZX0Ovum9eSigcP xVGshT2/Wn5WeOxg9CkUHpGTSy1Hw40i+HKJDD8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR6wL4A303gPD39GOfRb7B2oYC9o/0TVbTMnABlt3r7Lq7b26afg8FHFPk9L9xzua/iPw0nG7e/ebFfreQHKkk8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:93e8:b0:730:9e5c:b45a with SMTP id yl8-20020a17090693e800b007309e5cb45amr6396914ejb.530.1660442753567; Sat, 13 Aug 2022 19:05:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6896FBE4-9160-4969-8969-D92F9FE19F14@gmx.com> <0dddb367-ebf9-930f-1b9c-000a532774d3@iee.email> In-Reply-To: <0dddb367-ebf9-930f-1b9c-000a532774d3@iee.email> From: Felipe Contreras Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 21:05:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "master" term - no one cares To: Philip Oakley Cc: Ryan , git@vger.kernel.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 11:55 AM Philip Oakley wrote: > On 13/08/2022 04:15, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > This is not a Git issue, this is a Git for Windows[1] issue: they are > > the ones exposing that message to their users at installation time. > > > Thanks for the comment. The wider point is to ensure that everyone can > choose their own name for their primary line of development (plod), no > matter how fast or slow they plod along. Everyone can choose their own name without being asked. All software has dozens if not hundreds of default configurations that the user is not forced to choose at installation time. When I type "bash" I'm not asked what kind of prompt I would like, that would be annoying. I can choose to change my bash prompt any time I want, or I could choose to keep using the default. We don't ask users what name they would like for the remote every time they clone a repository, we use "origin", and that's fine. The user can choose a different origin with --origin, or just use the default. Being forced to make an *unnecessary* choice is just annoying, but we all know why the Git for Windows project is annoying their users and it has nothing to do with technical aspects and everything to do with *personal* politics. > There is a confusion between the use of the term that refers to the > *personal* mastery of a _craft_ or _artisan_ technique and, at least one > of, the historical choices for the usage of the term 'master', which was > a direct reference to slave servitude. That was for the use of > electrical circuits which would detect the 'tick' of a primary timing > pendulum and then have all the actual clock faces that indicated the > time be _driven_ from that 'master'. This may be the reason why some people used that name in the past, but it's not the reason I use it. For me if I was cloned there wouldn't be two equally valid versions of me, *I* am the original one, I am the "master" copy. This doesn't change if my clone is cloned in turn. This is exactly how master branches in git are used. I have a master branch of git.git, but it's not *the* master branch. *The* master branch is the branch from which all the other branches came from, including "maint" and "next", and all the dozens of branches in thousands of other repositories. If the word "master" makes it sound more important than all the other branches in all the other repositories, it's because it is. Regardless of what name people use and for what reason, the reality is that "master" is still very widely used, despite of the campaign against it which was clearly driven by ideological reasons. And it's also a reality that the world is not going to end if users are not being forced to pick that one controversial configuration at installation time. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras