From: Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Git List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] push: change `simple` to accommodate triangular workflows
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 15:39:38 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALkWK0=v25wC1r8ScUkKDhFjctZCDLJtpDx2g2avyYgJVmZCWg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7vk3lpwkt6.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org>
Junio C Hamano wrote:
>> Decouple `simple` from `upstream` completely, and change it to mean
>> `current` with a safety feature: a `push` and `pull` should not be
>> asymmetrical in the special case of central workflows.
>
> Double negation confused my parser. 'push' and 'pull' should be
> kept symmetrical in central workflows?
They're not the same thing. It is very much intentional and intended:
the safety net is not to "ensure that the push and pull are
symmetrical" (i.e. among other things, error out if
branch.$branch.merge is unset), but rather "ensure that the push and
pull are never asymmetrical".
>> Without any configuration the current branch is pushed out, which
>> loosens the safety we implemented in the current 'safer upstream'.
>>
>> I am not convinced this is a good change. I am not convinced this is
>> a bad change, either, yet, but this loosening smells bad.
>
> Provided that we would want to keep the "Push the current one to the
> same name but you have to have it set up as your integration source"
> safety for central workflow (which I am starting to think we
> should), we would want something like this on top of your entire
> series, I think. The behaviour change can be seen in the revert of
> one test you made to the test that expects "simple" to fail due to
> the safety.
Now I'd like to question what you are labelling as "safety". What is
the consequence of erroring out when branch.$branch.merge is unset
when pushing using `upstream`? For me, it only means additional
inconvenience: any new branches I create can't be pushed out without
explicitly setting branch.$branch.merge to an "invalid" value. What
is invalid about it? The fact that it doesn't exist, @{u} still
doesn't resolve, and git branch -u doesn't work. Hell, even git push
-u doesn't work! So, what is this huge "safety" that can justify
inconveniencing me like this? By making sure that
branch.$branch.merge is set, my prompt responds immediately to
divergence, and this is awesome. Predictably, I use git push -u when
I push out a new branch with `current`. So, unless you have a damn
good reason to inconvenience me in the name of safety,
branch.$branch.merge should default to refs/heads/$branch, unless set
explicitly.
I didn't want to contaminate this series with an unrelated improvement
to `upstream`, which is why you don't see the change here: it is
orthogonal to designing a good `simple`, and I only brought it up to
question the "safety" you're carrying over to `simple`; what
obligation does `simple` have to carry over this "feature"? I've made
it clear that I want a clean break from `upstream`, and I find your
proposal is very inelegant: `simple` has two modes of operation; when
branch.$branch.remote is equal to $pushremote, branch.$branch.merge
must be set and equal to $branch (the `upstream` mode); when
branch.$branch.remote is unequal to $pushremote, don't care about
whether branch.$branch.merge is set (the `current` mode). My proposal
is much smoother than this "modal" operation, no?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-06-20 10:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-06-19 11:11 [PATCH 0/6] push.default in the triangular world Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-19 11:11 ` [PATCH 1/6] t/t5528-push-default: remove redundant test_config lines Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-19 19:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-19 11:11 ` [PATCH 2/6] config doc: rewrite push.default section Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-19 19:55 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-20 3:27 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-20 7:35 ` Johan Herland
2013-06-19 11:11 ` [PATCH 3/6] push: change `simple` to accommodate triangular workflows Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-19 20:00 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-20 2:57 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-20 10:09 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra [this message]
2013-06-20 19:23 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-20 20:49 ` Philip Oakley
2013-06-20 21:03 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-20 21:22 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-20 21:56 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-20 22:05 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-20 21:41 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-19 11:11 ` [PATCH 4/6] push: remove dead code in setup_push_upstream() Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-19 20:01 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-19 11:11 ` [PATCH 5/6] t/t5528-push-default: generalize test_push_* Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-19 21:56 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-19 11:11 ` [PATCH 6/6] t/t5528-push-default: test pushdefault workflows Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-19 22:17 ` Junio C Hamano
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-06-24 4:33 [PATCH 0/6] Reroll of rr/triangular-push-fix Junio C Hamano
2013-06-24 4:33 ` [PATCH 3/6] push: change `simple` to accommodate triangular workflows Junio C Hamano
2013-06-24 6:58 ` Johan Herland
2013-06-24 7:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-24 7:46 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-24 8:48 ` Johan Herland
2013-06-24 14:13 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-24 7:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-24 8:48 ` Johan Herland
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