From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS53758 23.128.96.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEE01F670 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230460AbhJUM6O (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Oct 2021 08:58:14 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:45582 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231129AbhJUM6M (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Oct 2021 08:58:12 -0400 Received: from mail-oo1-xc2f.google.com (mail-oo1-xc2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2f]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40D08C061749 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 05:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oo1-xc2f.google.com with SMTP id r4-20020a4aa2c4000000b002b6f374cac9so104030ool.6 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 05:55:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sWL+hL/o3lUbRxjl8NH/XH88xNidJ9oUfz63ROqPoUU=; b=q6d2n1WgC7QOsgl7Ug5EyIWafs4yYya9Wp7kbxE80U2gT7QyY5/flTCgEuiHCmwhjN J4H7yK+a3zcqF8wd/6b17zRqcn+2bMWP9Iw+BU1Z8wvdWRZYGYkm2fA08mT7ZVuBreGC KPhZbSds0YFnFT6tQUVHrtYORD0NwNtwmTnsFH9Bvl2IrlOrhqBrmq0KFMe7Txx0CQjw ouwd5HLgyzcnGp9qbluVd6gmTYb+OI0a35ivr0yBVafzE8tXtgwxzD5aZpQlPVkFBwBf +tBc9C1/U3VyQWGmV94PYTD4L2bonr1MBLr4biA5oZepwtcFtWNN+hp+0kkmmlQhIPcR 8oEg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sWL+hL/o3lUbRxjl8NH/XH88xNidJ9oUfz63ROqPoUU=; b=vOXij0vJ8QIUjXba0bxxgyoRNrbSGRSasjiKaerVCi93d0SKb5rG0I36mJsOvF22FV vuUwPt8ab2BF8LFVnAmBKuaBDdilMrms+iwNjBTYSF1sw1fPRkXIbOd3tGGRQmmbky3P KJx4q/5JKYAPWdPG9ARc9ounHn2zqCeannimWEAQ8y2+om9tb4nk00dO3szOZksPn81t JFI0DbU0but/59pePk9xuYlViLmyuS+nM6AMrWxkYon0U4sPz51m4Fhum9gPJdlvQXdg WR/wgEdMV4F4FSJdlppVVyH8BvOTsopQA7vVotzyx4009KV9+csLJLwhank7AHvALEcR mS/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530GLkmAiMg4umlDEWIFr60usFdVAIwEhc3xkKLM1lpYpt4wu0+r ldH+EmYysw4vtVzf4UF9J003NWZ2UfUHA29XwYo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxykzPNYCme3YljRJW7FibqjM21WVUI7poFWIWh1McVlR5BBjVbPGx1W9h+mTFUqk+rTlCmwR47aFVLQ+gJAYg= X-Received: by 2002:a4a:b501:: with SMTP id r1mr4223677ooo.20.1634820956564; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 05:55:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Son Luong Ngoc Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 14:55:45 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Summit topic] Increasing diversity & inclusion (transition to `main`, etc) To: Johannes Schindelin Cc: git Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Hi, On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 1:57 PM Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > This session was led by Johannes "Dscho" Schindelin. Supporting cast: > brian "Bmc" carlson, Jeff "Peff" King, Taylor Blau, CB Bailey, =C3=86var > Arnfj=C3=B6r=C3=B0 "Avarab" Bjarmason, Jonathan "Jrnieder" Nieder, Derric= k Stolee, > Lessley Dennington, Glen Choo, Philip Oakley, Victoria Dye, and Jonathan > "Jonathantanmy" Tan. > > Notes: > ... > > 5. Git the community is still overwhelmingly male, white - what can we = do? > ... > > 19. Stolee: When we moved from MS to GH, we received quick feedback that= we > weren=E2=80=99t communicating well - too direct and unemotional. May= be Git > community communicates that way, but that=E2=80=99s not how most peo= ple interact; > that makes me think that our =E2=80=9Cefficient and effective=E2=80= =9D communication is > actually too aggressive, and easily interpreted as attacks on > contributors. Basically=E2=80=A6 let=E2=80=99s all lighten up? :) > > 20. Taylor: Yep, my =E2=80=9Ctalking to GitHubbers at GitHub=E2=80=9D vo= ice is different from > my =E2=80=9Ctalking to Gitters on Git list=E2=80=9D voice. New contr= ibutors, are we on the > right track here? > ... > > 34. Avarab: I think it=E2=80=99s a good thing to work on; we need to be = really careful > about what guidelines we pick and choose. Need to ensure an easy pat= h for > new contributors so they don=E2=80=99t need to read hours of documen= tation for a > typo fix. Plus we need to ensure that this doc is accessible for fol= ks who > have different first language than English. > > 35. Bmc: on git-lfs we have a contributor with very little English, so w= hen we > did the review I=E2=80=99d offer an alternative text, and we would w= ork together. > That process was useful to come up with readable documentation in a > helpful way. That is, proposing a solution instead of pointing out t= he > problem and saying =E2=80=9Cfix it=E2=80=9D can help a lot in scenar= ios like this. > > 36. Dscho: Yep, this is important and will help us be more accessible to > contributors whose English is not super top notch Cambridge exam :) Yes, thanks for mentioning the non-English speaking community. I have been an avid reader of the Git Mailing List for the past years and c= an't help but notice contributions from folks working in Alibaba(China) have bee= n taking a lot more iterations to get to final reviews than usual contributio= ns. I would recommend, on top of having a guideline document, to have a Valve check (1) setup as a commit-msg hook and run it as part of GitGitGadget CI to help folks shorten the feedback loops in some basic case= s. Cheers, Son Luong. (1): https://docs.errata.ai/vale/styles