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From: Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com>
To: Lars Schneider <larsxschneider@gmail.com>
Cc: "git@vger.kernel.org" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>, "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	"Jakub Narębski" <jnareb@gmail.com>,
	"Martin-Louis Bright" <mlbright@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 06/13] pkt-line: add functions to read/write flush terminated packet streams
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:46:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGZ79kaVg40H-LeDtFfDYqDFDDbr+um3ZYj8oAaqGu+q6k5e+A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160825110752.31581-7-larsxschneider@gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 4:07 AM,  <larsxschneider@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Lars Schneider <larsxschneider@gmail.com>
>
> packet_write_stream_with_flush_from_fd() and
> packet_write_stream_with_flush_from_buf() write a stream of packets. All
> content packets use the maximal packet size except for the last one.
> After the last content packet a `flush` control packet is written.
>
> packet_read_till_flush() reads arbitrary sized packets until it detects
> a `flush` packet.

So the API provided by these read/write functions is intended
to move a huge chunks of data. And as it puts the data on the wire one
packet after the other without the possibility to intervene and e.g. send
a side channel progress bar update, I would question the design of this.
If I understand correctly this will be specifically  used for large
files locally,
so e.g. a file of 5 GB (such as a virtual machine tracked in Git), would
require about 80k packets.

Instead of having many packets of max length and then a remainder,
I would suggest to invent larger packets for this use case. Then we can
just send one packet instead.

Currently a packet consists of 4 bytes indicating the length in hex
and then the payload of length-4 bytes. As the length is in hex
the characters in the first 4 bytes are [0-9a-f], we can easily add another
meaning for the length, e.g.:

  A packet starts with the overall length and then the payload.
  If the first character of the length is 'v' the length is encoded as a
  variable length quantity[1]. The high bit of the char indicates if
  the next char is still part of the length field. The length must not exceed
  LLONG_MAX (which results in a payload of 9223 Petabyte, so
  enough for the foreseeable future).

  [1] A variable-length quantity (VLQ) is a universal code that uses
  an arbitrary number of bytes to represent an arbitrarily large integer.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable-length_quantity

The neat thing about the packet system is we can dedicate packets
to different channels (such as the side channels), but with the provided
API here this makes it impossible to later add in these side channel
as it is a pure streaming API now. So let's remove the complication
of having to send multiple packets and just go with one large packet
instead.

--
    I understand that my proposal would require writing code again,
    but it has also some long term advantages in the networking stack
    of Git: There are some worries that a capabilities line in fetch/push
    might overflow in the far future, when there are lots of capabilities.

    Also a few days ago there was a proposal to add all symbolic refs
    to a capabilities line, which Peff shot down as "the packet may be
    too small".

    There is an incredible hack that allows transporting refs > 64kB IIRC.

    All these things could go away with the variable length encoded
    packets. But to make them go away in the future we would need
    to start with these variable length packets today. ;)

Just food for thought.

Thanks,
Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-25 18:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-25 11:07 [PATCH v6 00/13] Git filter protocol larsxschneider
2016-08-25 11:07 ` [PATCH v6 01/13] pkt-line: rename packet_write() to packet_write_fmt() larsxschneider
2016-08-25 11:07 ` [PATCH v6 02/13] pkt-line: extract set_packet_header() larsxschneider
2016-08-25 11:07 ` [PATCH v6 03/13] pkt-line: add packet_write_fmt_gently() larsxschneider
2016-08-25 18:12   ` Stefan Beller
2016-08-25 18:47     ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-25 21:41   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-26  9:17     ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-26 17:10       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-26 17:23         ` Jeff King
2016-08-25 11:07 ` [PATCH v6 04/13] pkt-line: add packet_flush_gently() larsxschneider
2016-08-25 11:07 ` [PATCH v6 05/13] pkt-line: add packet_write_gently() larsxschneider
2016-08-25 21:50   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-26  9:40     ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-26 17:15       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-29  9:40         ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-25 11:07 ` [PATCH v6 06/13] pkt-line: add functions to read/write flush terminated packet streams larsxschneider
2016-08-25 18:46   ` Stefan Beller [this message]
2016-08-25 19:33     ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-25 22:31     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-26  0:55       ` Jacob Keller
2016-08-26 17:02         ` Stefan Beller
2016-08-26 17:21           ` Jeff King
2016-08-26 17:17         ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-25 22:27   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-26 10:13     ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-26 17:21       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-29  9:43         ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-25 11:07 ` [PATCH v6 07/13] pack-protocol: fix maximum pkt-line size larsxschneider
2016-08-25 18:59   ` Stefan Beller
2016-08-25 19:35     ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-26 19:44       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-25 11:07 ` [PATCH v6 08/13] convert: quote filter names in error messages larsxschneider
2016-08-26 19:45   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-25 11:07 ` [PATCH v6 09/13] convert: modernize tests larsxschneider
2016-08-26 20:03   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-29 10:09     ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-25 11:07 ` [PATCH v6 10/13] convert: generate large test files only once larsxschneider
2016-08-25 19:17   ` Stefan Beller
2016-08-25 19:54     ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-29 17:52       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-30 11:47         ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-30 16:55           ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-29 17:46   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-30 11:41     ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-30 16:37       ` Jeff King
2016-08-25 11:07 ` [PATCH v6 11/13] convert: make apply_filter() adhere to standard Git error handling larsxschneider
2016-08-25 11:07 ` [PATCH v6 12/13] convert: add filter.<driver>.process option larsxschneider
2016-08-29 22:21   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-30 16:27     ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-30 18:59       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-30 20:38         ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-30 22:23           ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-31  4:57             ` Torsten Bögershausen
2016-08-31 13:14               ` Jakub Narębski
2016-08-30 20:46         ` Jakub Narębski
2016-09-05 19:47           ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-25 11:07 ` [PATCH v6 13/13] read-cache: make sure file handles are not inherited by child processes larsxschneider
2016-08-29 18:05   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-29 19:03     ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-29 19:45       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-30 12:32         ` Lars Schneider
2016-08-30 14:54           ` Torsten Bögershausen
2016-09-01 17:15             ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-29 15:39 ` [PATCH v6 00/13] Git filter protocol Lars Schneider
2016-08-29 18:09   ` Junio C Hamano

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