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From: Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com>
To: Jens Lehmann <Jens.Lehmann@web.de>
Cc: "git@vger.kernel.org" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ramsay Jones <ramsay@ramsayjones.plus.com>,
	Jacob Keller <jacob.keller@gmail.com>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Schindelin <johannes.schindelin@gmail.com>,
	Eric Sunshine <ericsunshine@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Sixt <j6t@kdbg.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv3 08/11] fetching submodules: respect `submodule.jobs` config option
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:29:23 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGZ79kYjtpsVuTQt6Hg=GukFVyavLphH_i58v7ZNDF9ETh58Lw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56464C44.6090902@web.de>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Jens Lehmann <Jens.Lehmann@web.de> wrote:
> Am 12.11.2015 um 00:34 schrieb Stefan Beller:
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Jens Lehmann <Jens.Lehmann@web.de>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TL;DR: checkout is serial, network-related stuff only will be using
>>>> submodule.jobs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My point being: isn't "jobs" a bit too generic for a config option that
>>> is only relevant for network-related stuff? Maybe "submodule.fetchJobs"
>>> or similar would be better, as you are already thinking about adding
>>> other parallelisms with different constraints later?
>>
>>
>> Actually I don't think that far ahead.
>
>
> Maybe I've been bitten once too often by too generic names that became
> a problem later on ... ;-)
>
>> (I assume network to be the bottleneck for clone/fetch operations)
>> All I want is a saturated network all the time, and as the native git
>> protocol
>> doesn't provide that (tcp startup takes time until full band witdth is
>> reached,
>> local operations both on client and server) I added the parallel stuff
>> to 'smear' different submodule network traffics along the timeline,
>> such that we have a better approximation of an always fully saturated link
>> for the whole operation. So in the long term future, we maybe want to
>> reuse an http/ssh session for a different submodule, possibly interleaving
>> the different submodules on the wire to make it even faster. Though that
>> may not be helping much.
>>
>> So we're back at bike shedding about the name. submodule.fetchJobs
>> sounds like it only applies to fetching, do you think it's sufficient for
>> clone
>> as well?
>
>
> Hmm, to me fetching is a part of cloning, so I don't have a problem with
> that. And documenting it accordingly should make it clear to everyone.
>
>> Once upon a time, Junio used  'submodule.fetchParallel' or
>> 'submodule.paralle'
>> in a discussion[1] for the distinction of the local and networked things.
>> [1] Discussing "[PATCH] Add fetch.recurseSubmoduleParallelism config
>> option"
>>
>> How about submodules.parallelNetwork for the networking part and
>> submodules.parallelLocal for the local part? (I don't implement
>> parallelLocal in
>> the next few weeks I'd estimate).
>
>
> If 'submodules.parallelNetwork' will be used for submodule push too as
> soon as that learns parallel operation, I'm ok with that. But if we don't
> have good reason to believe the number of jobs for fetch can simply be
> reused for push, me thinks we should have one config option containing the
> term "fetch" now and another that contains "push" when we need it later,
> just to be on the safe side. Otherwise it might be hard to explain to
> users why 'submodules.parallelNetwork' is only used for fetch and clone
> and why they have to set 'submodules.parallelPush' for pushing ...
>
> So either 'submodule.fetchParallel' or 'submodule.fetchJobs' is fine for
> me, and 'submodules.parallelNetwork' is ok too as long as we have reason
> to believe this value can be used for push later too.

Ok, got it. So fetchJobs is fine with me.
Mind the difference in the first part, submodule[s] in singular/plural.
I thought submodule as a prefix for any individual submodule, but any
settings applying to all of the submodules, you'd take the plural submodules.*
settings.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-13 21:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-04  0:37 [PATCHv3 00/11] Expose the submodule parallelism to the user Stefan Beller
2015-11-04  0:37 ` [PATCHv3 01/11] run_processes_parallel: delimit intermixed task output Stefan Beller
2015-11-04  0:37 ` [PATCHv3 02/11] run-command: report failure for degraded output just once Stefan Beller
2015-11-04 18:14   ` Junio C Hamano
2015-11-04 20:14     ` Stefan Beller
2015-11-04 20:36       ` Johannes Sixt
2015-11-04 21:01         ` Junio C Hamano
2015-11-04 22:56           ` Jeff King
2015-11-05  2:05             ` Junio C Hamano
2015-11-05  6:51               ` Jeff King
2015-11-05  7:32                 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-11-05 17:37                   ` Stefan Beller
2015-11-04 20:42       ` Junio C Hamano
2015-11-04 21:04         ` Stefan Beller
2015-11-04 21:19           ` Junio C Hamano
2015-11-04 21:41             ` Stefan Beller
2015-11-04  0:37 ` [PATCHv3 03/11] run-command: omit setting file descriptors to non blocking in Windows Stefan Beller
2015-11-04  0:37 ` [PATCHv3 04/11] submodule-config: keep update strategy around Stefan Beller
2015-11-04  0:37 ` [PATCHv3 05/11] submodule-config: drop check against NULL Stefan Beller
2015-11-04  0:37 ` [PATCHv3 06/11] submodule-config: remove name_and_item_from_var Stefan Beller
2015-11-04  0:37 ` [PATCHv3 07/11] submodule-config: introduce parse_generic_submodule_config Stefan Beller
2015-11-04  0:37 ` [PATCHv3 08/11] fetching submodules: respect `submodule.jobs` config option Stefan Beller
2015-11-10 22:21   ` Jens Lehmann
2015-11-10 22:29     ` Stefan Beller
2015-11-11 19:55       ` Jens Lehmann
2015-11-11 23:34         ` Stefan Beller
2015-11-13 20:47           ` Jens Lehmann
2015-11-13 21:29             ` Stefan Beller [this message]
2015-11-04  0:37 ` [PATCHv3 09/11] git submodule update: have a dedicated helper for cloning Stefan Beller
2015-11-04  0:37 ` [PATCHv3 10/11] submodule update: expose parallelism to the user Stefan Beller
2015-11-04  0:37 ` [PATCHv3 11/11] clone: allow an explicit argument for parallel submodule clones Stefan Beller
2015-11-04 17:54 ` [PATCHv3 00/11] Expose the submodule parallelism to the user Junio C Hamano
2015-11-04 18:08   ` Stefan Beller
2015-11-04 18:17     ` Junio C Hamano

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