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From: Calvin Wan <calvinwan@google.com>
To: Robert Coup <robert@coup.net.nz>
Cc: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Robert Coup via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "Jonathan Tan" <jonathantanmy@google.com>,
	"John Cai" <johncai86@gmail.com>,
	"Jeff Hostetler" <git@jeffhostetler.com>,
	"Derrick Stolee" <derrickstolee@github.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/7] fetch: add repair: full refetch without negotiation
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 10:58:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFySSZAunjiEsSMETdYB3TFVppPD5RfjQjMmvTqwy6mEteninA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACf-nVf-O5+_nMrdBiRJ5sHg7g+DjTkPy1VuErDnEXJ0-9OJ0A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Robert,

Documentation for the config setting is an acceptable solution!
Apologies for the late response -- wanted to wait and see if anyone
else on the list had any last thoughts. Also I noticed you were hoping
that Jonathan Tan could take a look at your patch on the What's
Cooking thread. Before I sent my first review out, I discussed your
patch with him so he's been briefed.

Reviewed-by: Calvin Wan <calvinwan@google.com>


On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 6:29 AM Robert Coup <robert@coup.net.nz> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 at 21:32, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > The way I read Calvin's suggestion was that you won't allow such a
> > random series of "git fetch"es without updating the "this is the
> > filter that is consistent with the contents of this repository"
> > record, which will lead to inconsistencies.  I.e.
> >
> >  - we must maintain the "filter that is consistent with the contents
> >    of this repository", which this series does not do, but we should.
>
> I don't think we should strive to keep this "consistency" —
>
> >  - the "--refetch" is unnecessary and redundant, as long as such a
> >    record is maintained; when a filter settings changes, we should
> >    do the equivalent of "--refetch" automatically.
>
> — we don't know how much data has been pulled in by fetches from
> different promisor and non-promisor remotes (past & present); or
> dynamically faulted in through branch switching or history
> exploration. And I can't see any particular benefit in attempting to
> keep track of that?
>
> Ævar suggested in future maybe we could figure out which commits a
> user definitively has all the blobs & trees for and refetch could
> negotiate from that position to improve efficiency: nothing in this
> series precludes such an enhancement.
>
> > ... isn't "git fetch --fitler" that does not update the configured
> > filter (and does not do a refetch automatically) a bug that made the
> > "refetch" necessary in the first place?
>
> I don't believe it's a bug. A fairly obvious partial clone example
> I've used before on repos where I want the commit history but not all
> the associated data (especially when the history is littered with
> giant blobs I don't care about):
>
>   git clone example.com/myrepo --filter=blob:none
>   # does a partial clone with no blobs
>   # checkout faults in the blobs present at HEAD in bulk to populate
> the working tree
>   git config --unset remote.origin.partialclonefilter
>   # going forward, future fetches include all associated blobs for new commits
>
> Getting all the blobs for all history is something I'm explicitly
> trying not to do in this example, but if the next fetch from origin
> automatically did a "refetch" after I removed the filter that's
> exactly what would happen.
>
> We don't expect users to update `diff.algorithm` in config to run a
> minimal diff: using the `--diff-algorithm=` option on the command line
> overrides the config. And the same philosophy applies with fetch:
> `remote.<name>.partialclonefilter` provides the default filter for
> fetches, and a user can override it via `git fetch --filter=`. To me
> this is how Git commands are expected to work.
>
> Partial clones are still relatively new and advanced, and I don't
> believe we should try and over-predict too much what the correct
> behaviour is for a user.
>
> I'd be happy adding something to the documentation for the
> `remote.<name>.partialclonefilter` config setting to explain that
> changing or removing the filter won't backfill the local object DB and
> the user would need `fetch --refetch` for that.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob :)

  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-21 17:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-01 15:49 [PATCH 0/6] [RFC] partial-clone: add ability to refetch with expanded filter Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-01 15:49 ` [PATCH 1/6] fetch-negotiator: add specific noop initializor Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-01 15:49 ` [PATCH 2/6] fetch-pack: add partial clone refiltering Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-04 18:02   ` Jonathan Tan
2022-02-11 14:56     ` Robert Coup
2022-02-17  0:05       ` Jonathan Tan
2022-02-01 15:49 ` [PATCH 3/6] builtin/fetch-pack: add --refilter option Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-01 15:49 ` [PATCH 4/6] fetch: " Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-01 15:49 ` [PATCH 5/6] t5615-partial-clone: add test for --refilter Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-01 15:49 ` [PATCH 6/6] doc/partial-clone: mention --refilter option Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-01 20:13 ` [PATCH 0/6] [RFC] partial-clone: add ability to refetch with expanded filter Junio C Hamano
2022-02-02 15:02   ` Robert Coup
2022-02-16 13:24     ` Robert Coup
2022-02-02 18:59 ` Jonathan Tan
2022-02-02 21:58   ` Robert Coup
2022-02-02 21:59     ` Robert Coup
2022-02-07 19:37 ` Jeff Hostetler
2022-02-24 16:13 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] fetch: add repair: full refetch without negotiation (was: "refiltering") Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-24 16:13   ` [PATCH v2 1/8] fetch-negotiator: add specific noop initializor Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-25  6:19     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-28 12:22       ` Robert Coup
2022-02-24 16:13   ` [PATCH v2 2/8] fetch-pack: add repairing Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-25  6:46     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-28 12:14       ` Robert Coup
2022-02-24 16:13   ` [PATCH v2 3/8] builtin/fetch-pack: add --repair option Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-24 16:13   ` [PATCH v2 4/8] fetch: " Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-24 16:13   ` [PATCH v2 5/8] t5615-partial-clone: add test for fetch --repair Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-24 16:13   ` [PATCH v2 6/8] maintenance: add ability to pass config options Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-25  6:57     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-28 12:02       ` Robert Coup
2022-02-28 17:07         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-25 10:29     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-28 11:51       ` Robert Coup
2022-02-24 16:13   ` [PATCH v2 7/8] fetch: after repair, encourage auto gc repacking Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-28 16:40     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-24 16:13   ` [PATCH v2 8/8] doc/partial-clone: mention --repair fetch option Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-02-28 16:43   ` [PATCH v2 0/8] fetch: add repair: full refetch without negotiation (was: "refiltering") Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-28 17:27     ` Robert Coup
2022-02-28 18:54       ` [PATCH v2 0/8] fetch: add repair: full refetch without negotiation Junio C Hamano
2022-02-28 22:20       ` [PATCH v2 0/8] fetch: add repair: full refetch without negotiation (was: "refiltering") Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-04 15:04   ` [PATCH v3 0/7] " Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-04 15:04     ` [PATCH v3 1/7] fetch-negotiator: add specific noop initializer Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-04 15:04     ` [PATCH v3 2/7] fetch-pack: add refetch Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-04 15:04     ` [PATCH v3 3/7] builtin/fetch-pack: add --refetch option Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-04 15:04     ` [PATCH v3 4/7] fetch: " Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-04 21:19       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-07 11:31         ` Robert Coup
2022-03-07 17:27           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-09 10:00             ` Robert Coup
2022-03-04 15:04     ` [PATCH v3 5/7] t5615-partial-clone: add test for fetch --refetch Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-04 15:04     ` [PATCH v3 6/7] fetch: after refetch, encourage auto gc repacking Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-04 15:04     ` [PATCH v3 7/7] doc/partial-clone: mention --refetch fetch option Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-09  0:27     ` [PATCH v3 0/7] fetch: add repair: full refetch without negotiation (was: "refiltering") Calvin Wan
2022-03-09  9:57       ` Robert Coup
2022-03-09 21:32         ` [PATCH v3 0/7] fetch: add repair: full refetch without negotiation Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10  1:07           ` Calvin Wan
2022-03-10 14:29           ` Robert Coup
2022-03-21 17:58             ` Calvin Wan [this message]
2022-03-21 21:34               ` Robert Coup
2022-03-28 14:02     ` [PATCH v4 0/7] fetch: add repair: full refetch without negotiation (was: "refiltering") Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-28 14:02       ` [PATCH v4 1/7] fetch-negotiator: add specific noop initializer Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-28 14:02       ` [PATCH v4 2/7] fetch-pack: add refetch Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-31 15:09         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-01 10:26           ` Robert Coup
2022-03-28 14:02       ` [PATCH v4 3/7] builtin/fetch-pack: add --refetch option Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-28 14:02       ` [PATCH v4 4/7] fetch: " Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-31 15:18         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-01 10:31           ` Robert Coup
2022-03-28 14:02       ` [PATCH v4 5/7] t5615-partial-clone: add test for fetch --refetch Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-31 15:20         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-01 10:36           ` Robert Coup
2022-03-28 14:02       ` [PATCH v4 6/7] fetch: after refetch, encourage auto gc repacking Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-31 15:22         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-01 10:51           ` Robert Coup
2022-03-28 14:02       ` [PATCH v4 7/7] docs: mention --refetch fetch option Robert Coup via GitGitGadget
2022-03-28 17:38         ` Junio C Hamano

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