From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203CB1F5AE for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 08:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726091AbgFNIrb (ORCPT ); Sun, 14 Jun 2020 04:47:31 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:47518 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725267AbgFNIrb (ORCPT ); Sun, 14 Jun 2020 04:47:31 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-x22b.google.com (mail-lj1-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22b]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD57EC03E969 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 01:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id x18so15605368lji.1 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 01:47:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8y2f+YZAdntv5Z+HWYZGOeD6FOsiwSJNVCYQeS/cJfo=; b=I0dmqex1L8u7so+OcP8iuBsqgQEvHAc8ZzeSYfg91oz2T7XWwlDsoSzdPHmzqtkMPq ClfIBtP2yoZJgM7PNYXedDhuiFkmkpNcA5jZpNGEiy6aGaB7bPoeaqCJTPDrmuNBhVY1 ob986e72nPAXM5M/qDKw9BWP2WUOf4BbFQhi86m9N9kf0/7C8Vcv/kX61Ef73JHB81dP LxYw/fvGdUoOvUbZHj4qtB/nyvABt8+BjHexvMtozS/JYHdoFGdQvuWaVEQZ0ytwQCdd bUvOrREs6ggKeDong2FcES+v+PeaNVbOBecp/FVQ+6qOS2VOW84LKJF+AYPuD8X6lHsg w90w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8y2f+YZAdntv5Z+HWYZGOeD6FOsiwSJNVCYQeS/cJfo=; b=sTNuevPqqxfcWY6N0RoK7xN++39g+XidQBSFCY1uTI0A5F1DWHd7PqJ1XL7dFzKGjf Mk1G3wrYR0JeFLKFg5Se4fWrqaRPoAIBHxIVxXhoAPAdxsD5eBRKkpkEC3e2joxsMTvh z39zSYUeApIzB/J0c/1CLLFX4AEQ9Q2eIREuT4Mii06JyWfZviFJIl6km5Tnuwg3IPRQ Fk5M6oPn7sPKNFGoqSb/w0BaRERzWDSe2+gHouvtXK+19nD4hvRqzkzGKwMvXyUFGwsf 76wKJ/XjMJQaWNCc6S08cnd9eXsrqC9hwWD2fWIoFaVa/DhnkDd5i/2D0J2uAXQCy6zC zC2g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530G/NdalF+7Xddf2NXfOeIq6LuxaDeT/s3pAx+QeXeRJdyfqlgf rZ0oe0MyzZiFV9+HBTeZZ6/FzBTeAEFQXXvYSoQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyirzt0J/nm+Bhr64P0D1I809Pn0oPhtY12vDiKBb4QKTglLRvManzLr8ti1NVsMlk2mddjCfhAJsDAaEBAZ10= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:1413:: with SMTP id u19mr10497371ljd.64.1592124448876; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 01:47:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0dd6b6c2-4ea4-498d-4481-7f65988db293@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Sergey Lapin Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 11:47:16 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rename offensive terminology (master) To: Don Goodman-Wilson Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?S=C3=A9rgio_Augusto_Vianna?= , Junio C Hamano , git@vger.kernel.org, "brian m. carlson" , Simon Pieters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Americans' perpetual offendedness with everything is what leads to what was written in Fahrenheit 451. Constant obsession with offendedness and constan= t valuing of everyone else about "should I be offended now?" is so much American now it became really concerning among all this PC culture. Won't you stop your great self-destruction guys? On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 9:36 AM Don Goodman-Wilson wrote: > > (Sorry, I meant "many (if not most) non-native English speakers DON'T > realize just how explosive certain English locutions can be to > American native speakers.") > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 8:32 AM Don Goodman-Wilson > wrote: > > > > I am an American living in Europe. Let me offer an analogy. Like all > > analogies, this one is imperfect, but I think it will serve to make my > > point. > > > > As an American, I don't understand French humor. It's simply beyond > > me. I've had it explained to me numerous times, but of course > > explaining a joke can't impart its inherent humor. But none of this > > should come as a surprise to anyone, as humor is a deeply cultural > > artifact, something that can only truly be understood by those raised > > within that culture. Even so, we can all appreciate the concept of > > humor generally. More to the point, I certainly don't go around > > denying that French humor exists, on the basis that I don't get it. > > > > In the same way, something I've learned living in Europe is that many > > (if not most) non-native English speakers realize just how explosive > > certain English locutions can be to American native speakers. That's > > totally understanable as, like French humor, you have to have been > > raised in the culture to really understand that fact. Like humor, we > > all have a sense of what offensiveness means, and like humor, this > > explosive content is a deeply cultural artifact, something that can > > only truly be understood by those raised within that culture. The > > visceral feeling of explosive content will probably always be beyond > > grasping, just as French humor will probably never make me laugh. > > > > But to deny that explosive content on the basis that you don't > > personally feel it, that you've never experienced it? To claim that it > > is "meaningless", that some people are "perpetually offended"? That's > > willful ignorance on your part, a bad-faith effort to engage in > > serious intellectual conversation about what is good and right, and > > has no place in a discussion about creating an inclusive space for all > > developers, let alone trying to bring about a more just world. > > > > Don Goodman-Wilson > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 2:50 AM S=C3=A9rgio Augusto Vianna > > wrote: > > > > > > Then why create all this disruption by changing the default from mast= er > > > to "main" if you will offer a feature to set the default on creation? > > > Americans were discussing trump's tiny hands last week and will have > > > moved on to any other meaningless subject the next one. You can > > > literally never please the perpetually offended. Taking this kind of > > > slacktivism and creating problems for other people is a disgusting le= vel > > > of entitlement that only americans display. You really care about > > > others? Remember there's other countries in the world. > > >