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From: Han-Wen Nienhuys <hanwen@google.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: "Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/7] Gets rid of "if reflog exists, append to it regardless of config settings"
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:46:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFQ2z_NASfhdHdZrY3gK29LRK_8Guj0LZ=GgCr84k7XX2L+Dow@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqbl40razw.fsf@gitster.g>

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 7:38 PM Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> > Not really.  I think the comment on the RFC still stands, and I do
> > not recall seeing a response to the point.
> >
> >     One potential harm this change will bring to us is what happens to
> >     people who disable core.logAllRefUpdates manually after using the
> >     repository for a while.  Their @{4} will point at the same commit no
> >     matter how many operations are done on the current branch after they
> >     do so.  I wouldn't mind if "git reflog disable" command is given to
> >     the users prominently and core.logAllRefUpdates becomes a mere
> >     implementation detail nobody has to care about---in such a world, we
> >     could set the configuration and drop the existing reflog records at
> >     the same time and nobody will be hurt.

A git 'reflog disable' command would address your concerns, but it is
a destructive operation, so the cure might be worse than the solution.

> IIRC, the only reason why reftable implementation may want to change
> the behaviour we have to avoid getting blamed for breaking is
> because it cannot implement "a reflog exists, and we need to record
> further ref movements by appending to it, no matter what the
> configuration says" when the existing reflog is empty, because its
> data structure lacks support for expressing "exists but empty".
>
> I think the behaviour change described in the title of this message
> can be limited in the scope to hurt users a lot less, and can still
> satisfy the goal of helping reftable not getting blamed for
> breakage, perhaps by making the behaviour for an empty but existing
> reflog unspecified or implementation defined per backend.

If we accept implementation-dependent features, we could just leave
the whole feature as is. I had expected more breakage, but there is
only one test case in t1400 that needs addressing. If the test
coverage reflects the popularity of the feature, it should be fine to
leave this divergence in, and mark the test with REFFILES.

The commits prior to the RFC should be OK for committing. In
particular, there is a bugfix for the show-branch command. Should I
resend those separately?

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-11 11:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-30 14:48 [PATCH 0/4] Gets rid of "if reflog exists, append to it regardless of config settings" Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-08-30 14:48 ` [PATCH 1/4] test-ref-store: tweaks to for-each-reflog-ent format Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-08-30 19:57   ` Taylor Blau
2021-08-30 20:23   ` Taylor Blau
2021-08-30 20:51   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-30 20:58     ` Taylor Blau
2021-08-30 21:59       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-30 14:48 ` [PATCH 2/4] t1400: use test-helper ref-store to inspect reflog contents Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-08-30 20:55   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-30 14:48 ` [PATCH 3/4] refs: drop force_create argument of create_reflog API Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-08-30 21:03   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-30 14:48 ` [PATCH 4/4] RFC: refs: reflog entries aren't written based on reflog existence Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-08-30 21:10   ` Taylor Blau
2021-08-30 21:14   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-06 16:52 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Gets rid of "if reflog exists, append to it regardless of config settings" Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-09-06 16:52   ` [PATCH v2 1/5] refs: trim newline from reflog message Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-09-06 22:38     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-06 16:52   ` [PATCH v2 2/5] test-ref-store: tweaks to for-each-reflog-ent format Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-09-06 22:34     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-07 13:33       ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2021-09-07 15:53         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-06 16:52   ` [PATCH v2 3/5] t1400: use test-helper ref-store to inspect reflog contents Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-09-06 16:52   ` [PATCH v2 4/5] refs: drop force_create argument of create_reflog API Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-09-06 22:42     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-06 16:52   ` [PATCH v2 5/5] RFC: refs: reflog entries aren't written based on reflog existence Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-09-06 22:50     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-07 13:36   ` [PATCH v3 0/7] Gets rid of "if reflog exists, append to it regardless of config settings" Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-09-07 13:36     ` [PATCH v3 1/7] show-branch: show reflog message Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-09-07 13:36     ` [PATCH v3 2/7] refs: trim newline from " Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-09-07 13:36     ` [PATCH v3 3/7] test-ref-store: tweaks to for-each-reflog-ent format Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-09-07 13:36     ` [PATCH v3 4/7] t1400: use test-helper ref-store to inspect reflog contents Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-09-07 13:36     ` [PATCH v3 5/7] refs: drop force_create argument of create_reflog API Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-09-07 13:36     ` [PATCH v3 6/7] RFC: refs: reflog entries aren't written based on reflog existence Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-09-07 13:36     ` [PATCH v3 7/7] refs: change log_ref_setup calling convention Han-Wen Nienhuys via GitGitGadget
2021-10-05 15:54     ` [PATCH v3 0/7] Gets rid of "if reflog exists, append to it regardless of config settings" Han-Wen Nienhuys
2021-10-06 18:20       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-06 18:27         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-07 17:38           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-11 11:46             ` Han-Wen Nienhuys [this message]
2021-11-11 14:38               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

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