From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC6B1F55B for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728401AbgFJLQZ (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 07:16:25 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:33634 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728304AbgFJLQZ (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 07:16:25 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-x235.google.com (mail-lj1-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::235]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B0F5C03E96B for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 04:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x235.google.com with SMTP id q19so1979755lji.2 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 04:16:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=eOUFghuZtwOj6jLELNNTRr9COUW5+pX0O9aTFagv48s=; b=UeDeMRPC5Lz/C1y+DU+2hndzC/Z3UvUWd6nFeGGFfQZsIbxjr3JaphM+ynLMnhW9+P MLRtbi8j3Ktf0SdVunHbtYxt+/hvxrz+HbwU8APsyuL7afr3GxwpkuxUlb9aD3NsTgUq d9fYvAp6PUgQCtCI9Lu3pEXKLpJ4PXbuSM7/BaxpSJ53S20KiNfpoS/AEM+6++XqxYcA kik9BcgnH6/y/T8FBghhsXhi4NHnAMUDGWXujREqP6NW/n+OR40lU9mNdScQ4L1WwNRG GgR7JCMOLoSSzzQSX4LFjpkn7psoNQ0NI/QJOo0SGUASC9ZTEPTfUDyzcEBNVQjFs6WS dHHw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=eOUFghuZtwOj6jLELNNTRr9COUW5+pX0O9aTFagv48s=; b=MjMiAoA5pYGd9+rMqA+8krePXYi12Oz1vG6JnrIszD+8wh5mHyVaGMBnCXQfZfikAt ODV2A18xbIVZEUV2Hy7HTVlMvXIu22Vh20mWbpKTWSr6uy/GwO+Jm0RV2aF42MM3IY5u +ZMPuVWk8wF0hN78pF6wEQcTnnwFxbj6Lew94xc3WsSQPbE/IQOFZ7J+w9euFROK0nlH F6zsqOyl9NtM1lQajeuwxg+snno2juttYVQxXCgUtGvUVrfJWcWj6vyzPw3W0N+rC5ZI jgbCnotHfMktAIO22cO7ZjlnOA3ZvM8n9md9JFUobNtQJ8GXcLpcgtW450QAgOjS2GRu TraA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530/GLZ3qPH5ABIhM/dEQLl1eU2leo4KiZkXMPDQBWAc91jeYZJL CzgQFTp07bZY7j4GbLwHsHnoQXlaVa94lw3wpiQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyAxF5rn3MThnG7pN4pTv2Wa57bflBtqVJgaEwwoLjAdfiBiSA05mqNK+/176gW+lej5xHoXcw78qU3vUgIoHs= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:89da:: with SMTP id c26mr1585109ljk.447.1591787783079; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 04:16:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200505231641.GH6530@camp.crustytoothpaste.net> In-Reply-To: From: Kevin Swinton Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 12:16:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rename offensive terminology (master) To: "Robert P. J. Day" Cc: Simon Pieters , Junio C Hamano , "brian m. carlson" , git@vger.kernel.org, don@goodman-wilson.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org May I just add to this part of the conversation by pointing out that if people are concerned that the use of the word "master" for the main branch name is offensive, there will also need to be subsequent consideration for the name of the project itself: "git" is, for some, nothing more than derogatory slang with no particularly positive connotations. It becomes arguable that if people wish to avoid (for example) the upcoming generation from acclimatising/normalising usage of the word "master", that same principle could also encroach upon the name of the tool itself. Share and enjoy. K On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 11:51, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Jun 2020, Simon Pieters wrote: > > > Hi Junio, > > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:02 PM Junio C Hamano wrote: > > > > > > Simon Pieters writes: > > > > > > > If someone is interested in helping with this, please follow up with > > > > Don. But I would like to ask again for git mainline to seriously > > > > consider adopting this change, given the information presented above > > > > and the ongoing movement against systemic racism. > > > > > > I am OK in principle if a future version of Git, when used by a new > > > user of Git who does not have any custom configuration, wrote a > > > string other than 'master' in .git/HEAD when "git init" is run. > > > > > > Picking a good replacement word to mean the primary branch is > > > tricky, though. Just having a notion that one is special among > > > many (i.e. the primary-ness of the thing being named with a word > > > that will replace 'master') may already be offending to some folks. > > > > I find this response not satisfactory: > > ... snip ... > > "I can't breathe ... I can't breathe ..." > > "Well, tell you what, what if we rename the initial default branch in > a distributed version control system for you?" > > *Now* do you understand how asinine all this sounds? > > rday