From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS2044 198.145.29.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABD4C43462 for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 17:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5A161166 for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 17:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S236410AbhELRnK (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 May 2021 13:43:10 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:37436 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S245584AbhELQw6 (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 May 2021 12:52:58 -0400 Received: from mail-oi1-x22d.google.com (mail-oi1-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22d]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAC4FC0611AE for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 09:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-x22d.google.com with SMTP id w22so8933460oiw.9 for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 09:40:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=95wvQ1WfGBjaOijQZfOCrv6xpi1aK/641dhMa3g6I9w=; b=uVnmXikQMj0Furz7G+5HwL4tsKkeR45ChUWf8UR2jSXE8n8ns6nXvVuQORwErUEUKe EBifBA3KfHtT83mVjkvvlqP7WCsKGLUpvhXcwwI0bIOw14so8gdz8oMgtPcXqTIlfnPA SXtya3BveYVXeQM7b7EzSis1cBg/a1DPMcLDOY9xlRpWcTGrDgjQWfvC+FAwd/9iKOHQ mv/FL30DqGv5wpVFf6XhwABuHVQQdRZTmVbuCWh9wCUeOjkc1FZtG0nvqZDYakBEqp6i yEZL0qZk0+JKTYnaMmb490c6UIgaW/wr2lsfsH7TOBsbkXbam80TddEMvxgAJGlr4t/b r6bg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=95wvQ1WfGBjaOijQZfOCrv6xpi1aK/641dhMa3g6I9w=; b=Ls4RnjmkmglE9+k4Lb7vt0vzQcf5HmGyjUSXISPWNp3CbHP3fHEVerC1qbda/L+6E3 bDaRyiDqT7JhiZ1AnzZ4RGoZS57xDfrInQOqpPowp5HUklKYvQy32GQbzIwIEbx8wFh5 adwWg+fPzQd+FTPRHsRw16t5w7Y59RHchKSn1sJp8OVxakDfQFvfai5QoIKe3GFrEh63 UzC4MI5NtNyKiUmmmVRMytMEP4nkdw4xHhkKxWya4xXpxXtBZUx/3xBhlgq2CXcgxTjF 5Tdp3eLqLq4x4820/yxY7hFWOxE+jCmEw5ULiBNqnMnYqpsR8s+56Gtp3YYtoomo/fSU U53A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531r0DYvyV6NlOI/BiGwD1iAcf6cHQjSkp3GAI9nJvgXT0F4Z1Yq qBP4YgSyqw8EK5m0Un7dV1lsPO5u2wX2APtybHE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyx+Mu/wgjb4i+Q4IbNcibdQg4oF6II1I1pL6ThtnPg6MZjh6lXLsz1EigOEhEc25Mq5w6bbFkvU5QvdHe+fyM= X-Received: by 2002:aca:c183:: with SMTP id r125mr12926976oif.147.1620837609350; Wed, 12 May 2021 09:40:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210406092440.GZ6564@kitsune.suse.cz> <609ad9473d535_6011e2082@natae.notmuch> <20210511195723.GL12700@kitsune.suse.cz> <609b47043a719_678ff208e@natae.notmuch> <20210512041138.GO12700@kitsune.suse.cz> In-Reply-To: <20210512041138.GO12700@kitsune.suse.cz> From: Varun Varada Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 11:39:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH] doc: replace jargon word "impact" with "effect"/"affect" To: =?UTF-8?Q?Michal_Such=C3=A1nek?= Cc: Felipe Contreras , git@vger.kernel.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 11 May 2021 at 23:11, Michal Such=C3=A1nek wrot= e: > > On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 10:09:56PM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > Michal Such=C3=A1nek wrote: > > > On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 02:21:43PM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > > > Michal Such=C3=A1nek wrote: > > > > > > > If you are concerned about correctness and clarity of the documen= tation please > > > > > avoid spreading misinformation. > > > > > > > > Under certain definition of "jaron" Varun's statement would be > > > > incorrect, but not under all definitions. If you use the definition > > > > I stated above, "impact" can be considered jargon, because it's a b= it > > > > obscure language. > > > > > > Do you have any frequency data that supports your claim that the word > > > 'impact' is obscure? > > > > This is not how logic works. > > > > If I don't have frequency data that supports $x, but you have no > > frequency data that supports !$x, then we return to the default positio= n; > > we don't know if $x is true or not. > > > > Do **you** have any frequency data that supports the negative claim tha= t > > the word "impact" is not obscure? > > I don't need that data. You are proposing a change so it is your duty to > support your claim that the change is worthwhile. > Otherwise it's a change just for the sake of change. > > > > > > The bar for change should be that the word as used is very unfitting = or > > > unintelligible. > > > > No. The bar is that **nobody** have any problem with "affect", and some > > people have a problem with "impact". > > And that's established how, specifically? By way of dictionaries and style guides which universally agree on the meaning of "affect"/"effect", but do not on that of (and even explicitly discourage) "impact". > > Thanks > > Michal