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From: Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: "徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	"Git Mailing List" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	"Aleen 徐沛文" <pwxu@coremail.cn>,
	"徐沛文 (Aleen)" <aleen42@vip.qq.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 2/2] am: support --empty=<option> to handle empty patches
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 10:57:22 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABPp-BHJq6L_1dG_YELrgO9M0w6qS2Jg3gDtpVWonj9i9wUR4Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqo8623jyw.fsf@gitster.g>

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 10:17 AM Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >> +--empty=(die|drop|keep)::
> >> +       By default, or when the option is set to 'die', the command
> >> +       errors out on an input e-mail message that lacks a patch. When
> >> +       this option is set to 'drop', skip such an e-mail message instead.
> >> +       When this option is set to 'keep', create an empty commit,
> >> +       recording the contents of the e-mail message as its log.
> >
> > What does 'errors out' mean?  Is the am operation aborted, and the
> > user return to the pre-am state?  Or is the am operation interrupted,
> > with the user being asked to choose whether to keep or drop the patch?
>
> I think it is the same as how "git am" without this sees a piece of
> e-mail without any patch in it.  It exits with non-zero status, but
> keeps the contents of .git/rebase-apply directory intact so that the
> user can decide what the next action should be.  "the command stops
> with non-zero status and gives control back to the user" might be a
> better explanation.
>
> As to the name of the option's value, I think 'die' is a much better
> word than 'ask' for this behaviour.  It is not like we retain
> control, give "do you want to do X or Y?"  prompt and do either X or
> Y ourselves, which is what I expect out of 'ask'.  If we just exit
> with non-zero value and give the control back to the user, then we
> are not asking.

Well, I still think 'die' implies aborting the entire overall `am`
operation, and is thus a confusing term.  To me, 'stop' or 'interrupt'
would be better if you want a one-word term and don't like 'ask'.

If you don't like the term 'ask' here, perhaps we should also change
rebase?  rebase --empty has 'ask' as a choice for
stopping/interrupting the rebase operation and letting the user decide
how to handle it.  (There is a very subtly different context for
rebase's --empty=ask, namely in that it is only triggered for patches
that were not originally empty but become so do the the new base the
patches are being applied upon already having the changes from the
patch in question, but that doesn't seem like a big enough difference
to suggest it should have a different name.)


There's another bit to my query on the semantics, though.  The second
half of my critique was that the current form of the series does not
inform the user how to handle the situation when `git-am` stops.  It
only tells the user how to drop the patch.  (If there's only one
option, why doesn't git just take it automatically?)  I think it
should also tell the user how to keep the patch.  Now, if both options
are presented to the user when the operation stops, would that qualify
as the user having been 'asked' what to do?

  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-29 22:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-12  4:58 [PATCH 0/2] am: support --always option to am empty commits Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-12  4:58 ` [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-format-patch: specify the option --always Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-12  4:58 ` [PATCH 2/2] am: support --always option to am empty commits Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-12  6:17 ` [PATCH 0/2] " René Scharfe
2021-11-12  6:42   ` Aleen
2021-11-12  6:47   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-12  7:10     ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-11-12 15:28     ` René Scharfe
2021-11-12 16:08       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-12  6:53 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] am: support --allow-empty " Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-12  6:53   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] doc: git-format-patch: specify the option --always Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-12 22:17     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-12  6:53   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] am: support --always option to am empty commits Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-12 22:23     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-12  6:53   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] test: am: add the case when not passing the --always option Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-12  6:54   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] chore: am: rename the --always option to --allow-empty Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-15 10:39   ` [PATCH v3 0/2] am: support --empty-commit=(die|skip|asis) option to am empty commits Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-15 10:39     ` [PATCH v3 1/2] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-15 10:39     ` [PATCH v3 2/2] am: support --empty-commit option to handle empty patches Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-15 11:13       ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-11-16  5:18     ` [PATCH v4 0/2] am: support --empty-commit=(die|skip|asis) option to am empty commits Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-16  5:18       ` [PATCH v4 1/2] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-16  5:18       ` [PATCH v4 2/2] am: support --empty-commit option to handle empty patches Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-16 10:07         ` Phillip Wood
2021-11-16 10:31           ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-11-17  8:39           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-17  9:33       ` [PATCH v5 0/2] am: support --empty-commit=(die|skip|asis) option to am empty commits Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-17  9:33         ` [PATCH v5 1/2] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-17  9:33         ` [PATCH v5 2/2] am: support --empty option to handle empty patches Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-18 10:50         ` [PATCH v6 0/3] am: support --empty=(die|drop|keep) " Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-18 10:50           ` [PATCH v6 1/3] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-18 10:50           ` [PATCH v6 2/3] am: support --empty option to handle empty patches Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-19  0:56             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-19 10:33             ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-11-19 12:10               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-19 12:20                 ` Eric Sunshine
2021-11-19 16:49                   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-19 16:46               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-18 10:50           ` [PATCH v6 3/3] am: throw an error when passing --empty option without value Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-19  1:13             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-19  2:11               ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-11-18 23:47           ` [PATCH v6 0/3] am: support --empty=(die|drop|keep) option to handle empty patches Junio C Hamano
2021-11-19  1:45             ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-11-19  5:46               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-19  7:23                 ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-11-19  7:25                   ` =?gb18030?B?QWxlZW4=?=
2021-11-19 16:54                   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-19 17:14                     ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-11-19 19:25                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-22 11:57                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-11-19  4:16             ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-11-19  5:04           ` [PATCH v7 0/2] " Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-19  5:04             ` [PATCH v7 1/2] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-19  5:04             ` [PATCH v7 2/2] am: support --empty=<option> to handle empty patches Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-19 22:50               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-19 23:07               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-22  6:46             ` [PATCH v8 0/2] am: support --empty=(die|drop|keep) option " Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-22  6:46               ` [PATCH v8 1/2] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-22  6:46               ` [PATCH v8 2/2] am: support --empty=<option> to handle empty patches Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-22  7:06                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-22  7:19                   ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-11-22  7:02               ` [PATCH v9 0/2] am: support --empty=(die|drop|keep) option " Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-22  7:02                 ` [PATCH v9 1/2] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always Aleen 徐沛文 via GitGitGadget
2021-11-22  7:02                 ` [PATCH v9 2/2] am: support --empty=<option> to handle empty patches Aleen 徐沛文 via GitGitGadget
2021-11-22  7:04                   ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-11-22  7:51                 ` [PATCH v10 0/2] am: support --empty=(die|drop|keep) option " Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-22  7:51                   ` [PATCH v10 1/2] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-22 12:00                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-11-23  1:25                       ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-11-23 12:30                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-11-22  7:51                   ` [PATCH v10 2/2] am: support --empty=<option> to handle empty patches Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-23 15:26                   ` [PATCH v11 0/2] am: support --empty=(die|drop|keep) option " Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-23 15:26                     ` [PATCH v11 1/2] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-11-23 16:12                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-11-23 22:02                         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-23 15:26                     ` [PATCH v11 2/2] am: support --empty=<option> to handle empty patches 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-11-26 20:14                       ` Elijah Newren
2021-11-29  9:19                         ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-11-29 10:00                           ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-11-29 17:10                             ` Elijah Newren
2021-11-30  5:45                               ` [PATCH v12 3/3] am: support --allow-empty to record specific " Aleen 徐沛文
2021-11-29 18:17                         ` [PATCH v11 2/2] am: support --empty=<option> to handle " Junio C Hamano
2021-11-29 18:57                           ` Elijah Newren [this message]
2021-11-30  5:37                     ` [PATCH v12 0/3] am: support --empty=(die|drop|keep) option and --allow-empty option " Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-30  5:37                       ` [PATCH v12 1/3] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-11-30  5:37                       ` [PATCH v12 2/3] am: support --empty=<option> to handle empty patches 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-11-30  5:37                       ` [PATCH v12 3/3] am: support --allow-empty to record specific " 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-11-30  7:21                         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-30  9:55                       ` [PATCH v13 0/3] am: support --empty=(die|drop|keep) option and --allow-empty option to handle " Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-11-30  9:55                         ` [PATCH v13 1/3] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-11-30  9:55                         ` [PATCH v13 2/3] am: support --empty=<option> to handle empty patches 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-11-30  9:55                         ` [PATCH v13 3/3] am: support --allow-empty to record specific " 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-01  3:37                         ` [PATCH v14 0/3] am: support --empty=(die|drop|keep) option and --allow-empty option to handle " Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-12-01  3:37                           ` [PATCH v14 1/3] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-01  3:37                           ` [PATCH v14 2/3] am: support --empty=<option> to handle empty patches 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-03 22:30                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-12-01  3:37                           ` [PATCH v14 3/3] am: support --allow-empty to record specific " 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-02  0:58                             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-06  1:35                               ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-12-06  9:41                           ` [PATCH v15 0/3] am: support --empty=(die|drop|keep) option and --allow-empty option to handle " Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-12-06  9:41                             ` [PATCH v15 1/3] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-06  9:41                             ` [PATCH v15 2/3] am: support --empty=<option> to handle empty patches 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-06  9:41                             ` [PATCH v15 3/3] am: support --allow-empty to record specific " 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07  5:01                             ` [PATCH v16 0/3] am: support --empty=(die|drop|keep) option and --allow-empty option to handle " Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07  5:01                               ` [PATCH v16 1/3] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07  5:01                               ` [PATCH v16 2/3] am: support --empty=<option> to handle empty patches 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07  5:01                               ` [PATCH v16 3/3] am: support --allow-empty to record specific " 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07  8:31                               ` [PATCH v17 0/3] am: support --empty=(die|drop|keep) option and --allow-empty option to handle " Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07  8:31                                 ` [PATCH v17 1/3] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07  8:31                                 ` [PATCH v17 2/3] am: support --empty=<option> to handle empty patches 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07 18:12                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-07  8:31                                 ` [PATCH v17 3/3] am: support --allow-empty to record specific " 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07 18:23                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-07 18:24                                 ` [PATCH v17 0/3] am: support --empty=(die|drop|keep) option and --allow-empty option to handle " Junio C Hamano
2021-12-08  5:05                                 ` [PATCH v18 " Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-12-08  5:05                                   ` [PATCH v18 1/3] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-08  5:05                                   ` [PATCH v18 2/3] am: support --empty=<option> to handle empty patches 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-08  5:05                                   ` [PATCH v18 3/3] am: support --allow-empty to record specific " 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-08  6:22                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-08  6:46                                       ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-12-08 11:32                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-09  7:25                                   ` [PATCH v19 0/3] am: support --empty=(die|drop|keep) option and --allow-empty option to handle " Aleen via GitGitGadget
2021-12-09  7:25                                     ` [PATCH v19 1/3] doc: git-format-patch: describe the option --always 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-09  9:28                                       ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-12-10  1:26                                         ` Aleen 徐沛文
2021-12-10  6:50                                           ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-12-11  9:22                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-09  7:25                                     ` [PATCH v19 2/3] am: support --empty=<option> to handle empty patches 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget
2021-12-09  7:25                                     ` [PATCH v19 3/3] am: support --allow-empty to record specific " 徐沛文 (Aleen) via GitGitGadget

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