From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1961F5AE for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 20:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1731521AbgFOUoU (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Jun 2020 16:44:20 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:39620 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1729692AbgFOUoT (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Jun 2020 16:44:19 -0400 Received: from mail-oi1-x243.google.com (mail-oi1-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::243]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B85AC061A0E for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 13:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-x243.google.com with SMTP id 25so17135531oiy.13 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 13:44:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FVjumNS0+Q7ryw5y0i2FEsgMlm9jyG01ufykqRLnrBo=; b=F0AedwWz/Zo3vbnn6wpFRkbZR9N3nkcEqdKMn8K5Knzl+v08AsBZZH6zcA7eWAUMkr X2cveA84KSuTxIX+ZiNYynJ6WrVoEpSaotsBddz19k27GlBthV54datpIqpU4L+UmutY P+RKhsRN7mFjsVl7Dj2PBqAP7BaZSarP/+pEostqzPmzSz6EWDcrcPthuVFs+K5JJRCp lDXEK5YMbHvhRGmYHuMGV2U6HFau7p3XUdTRqy/rpOvhl3ekj5RilDiLZ8dJeYcyG50x GJfwO+05GeO1TJodJqPgN9HZEujlXI4WG4m6kOjoTTnf22bVBfDhUmwtLiDKhjOMUNVs oBxQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FVjumNS0+Q7ryw5y0i2FEsgMlm9jyG01ufykqRLnrBo=; b=M9DhIJfVHhI1kj6ueIBFOHqYfauM46e+r6FiiQDeyK2bgz7wM5gDzDaEvUsj8dPWpr IU2M8+TxVYrFIxCSLb2LOinBz9UylPO0ZNdRFZkvLfInHu8NT8LHdo06NEukJ45TWJYj PrqKRxUThAvYQ+2Hgw/1xj8n/PooChaqOtBueR7pXv7Ieirb60SzZLaCFC7pTVQkPsjh HRcFzmLvNZxWpe32Pke/ig9h89TyFblPn633QoEnhTAdod8K+4RAUwd0OQpYDPtRUfVp Sf+59tjUu77JDhqiFwBGlz26giAJFB7p3dbJw0eAJSZGAxTey0NMIVpkmWrXyDkfWcp3 gMGw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533Sgy8cXtpge+RWhuFN2vcCmiNMJAOGVQ7XhNbXq9A1c1DksLdG gAqrZQEx8cJFlOeZcCl4jBLGrC32yxnVs7XwXAU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxI6JUP2X2tl5GgPmSnUkCB/3qHWv3b1n6QNu/RB+UK0D/ECpko8bOyYd45ysVuroZK58YCyHhmBvIDwtZr5kI= X-Received: by 2002:aca:2b0d:: with SMTP id i13mr1013064oik.39.1592253856521; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 13:44:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200615180744.GB135968@google.com> <3cef6084-e632-c9ce-c0da-a2c250c2f512@gmail.com> <8f9193aa-43bf-2ad3-d067-6330385e1788@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Elijah Newren Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 13:44:04 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rename offensive terminology (master) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Alexandru_P=C4=83tr=C4=83nescu?= Cc: Jonathan Nieder , Johannes Schindelin , Don Goodman-Wilson , Git Mailing List , =?UTF-8?Q?Michal_Such=C3=A1nek?= , Philip Oakley , "brian m. carlson" , Simon Pieters , Derrick Stolee , =?UTF-8?Q?S=C3=A9rgio_Augusto_Vianna?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:51 PM Alexandru P=C4=83tr=C4=83nescu wrote: > > S=C3=A9rgio > On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:37 PM S=C3=A9rgio Augusto Vianna > wrote: > > > > >But the people that contribute to the code and to an open-source > > project are the owner of that project so they get to get the calls. > > > > Ignoring everyone else's opinions and needs and just exerting your > > authority is the very definition of authoritarianism. Yes, they do have > > the right. But if they ignore the users, they can just use a fork that > > does what they want. Have anyone considered that a breaking change in > > git might very well result in a fork? > Well... fork happens sometimes when two groups of people completely > disagree and cannot work together. > I really hope a vote here would be enough to settle things. > > S=C3=A9rgio, I'm actually with you on this side, just to state my opinion= as well. > > I haven't yet heard of a person that is offended by git master branch. > I've heard thou about persons that think that some others will get offend= ed. > But most of the time, I've heard about people that think this world > got crazy on git master branch naming :). > > But I guess you've heard that already from other participants already, > so I apologize for repeating it. > > And I believe that both of you, S=C3=A9rgio and Jonathan, were a bit rude > to each other :) Calling out violations of the code of conduct certainly takes some directness, but merely calling out the behavioral violations is not in and of itself rude. S=C3=A9rgio's behavior I think is exactly the type of reason we adopted the code of conduct; insulting others is not wanted and is not welcome on this list. The harder part of having a code of conduct is trying to coax people to follow it. Several folks tried nicer responses to S=C3=A9rgio earlier in the thread, but to no avail. >From my view, a more direct response was clearer needed. I'm grateful Jonathan jumped in to do so; I thought he did an exemplary job. Elijah