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From: Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
To: Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>
Cc: Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Matheus Tavares Bernardino <matheus.bernardino@usp.br>,
	Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>,
	Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse cone
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 07:11:43 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABPp-BH1jw6MakBeFADybeEV6LTDRS1OMvqGwMYiLoTBdG_L1w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pull.1009.git.1627579637.gitgitgadget@gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 11:27 AM Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
<gitgitgadget@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My commits are technically based on ds/add-with-sparse-index, but could
> apply earlier, I believe.
>
> We launched an experimental release [1] of the sparse-index feature to our
> internal users. We immediately discovered a problem due to the isolated way
> in which we tested the sparse index: we were never building the project and
> changing our sparse-checkout definition.
>
> [1] https://github.com/microsoft/git/releases/tag/v2.32.0.vfs.0.102.exp
>
> Users who ran a build in one project and then moved to another still had
> build artifacts in their worktree that lived inside the old directories.
> Since the files are marked by the .gitignore patterns, these files were not
> removed by the 'git sparse-checkout set' command. However, they make the
> sparse-index unusable because every 'git status' command needs to expand the
> sparse-directory entries in order to see if the files are tracked or not.
> This made the first experimental release actually slower for all users
> because of this cost.

As highlighted at
https://lore.kernel.org/git/CABPp-BHwRHhYE3BPxCG+fRFWf2dCZ60rnO=ykztquKoOp_x_QQ@mail.gmail.com/
?

"""So, although 'git status'
shouldn't have to check the tracked files anymore, it is still going
to have to look at each of the *untracked* files and compare to
.gitignore files in order to correctly classify each file as ignored
or just plain untracked."""

As I noted there,

"""about a month ago my
colleagues made the tool just auto-invoke [--remove-old-ignores] from other
sparsify invocations.  To my knowledge, there have been no complaints
about that being automatically turned on; but there were
complaints/confusion before about the directories being left around.
(Of course, non-ignored files are still left around by that option.)"""

I think your changes here shouldn't be limited to a sparse-index but
should apply to cone-mode sparse checkouts generally.

> The solution we shipped to these customers was to change the way our fork
> handles these ignored files. Specifically, instead of Git completely
> ignoring the files, we changed Git to understand that with cone-mode
> sparse-checkout patterns, the users is asking for entire directories to be
> removed from the worktree. The link [1] included earlier has this change.

Could you clarify what you are removing?
  1) Tracked but now SKIP_WOKRTREE files
  2) .gitignore'd files
  3) other untracked files

(1) has always been removed by sparse-checkout.  I think you're adding
(2) but it's not clear if you are also removing (3).

> I believe that this is a reasonable expectation, though I recognize that it
> might look like breaking the expectations of how .gitignore files work.
>
> To limit the scope of this change, the focus is limited to behave this way
> only when the sparse-index is enabled, because otherwise the sparse index
> does not behave as intended. With that restriction in mind, the
> implementation can use the sparse directory entries to assist.
>
> I imagine that when the sparse index is mature enough, we will enable it by
> default when cone mode sparse-checkout is enabled, in which case this
> behavior would expand to all users with cone mode sparse-checkout.

I'm all in favor of just doing it for all cone mode users, at least
for .gitignore'd files.

> I'm interested in the community's thoughts about this change, as it seems
> like one that we should make carefully and intentionally.

Yeah, I approached it pretty cautiously, just adding a new option in
our tool (`sparsify --remove-old-ignores`) because I wasn't sure if it
should be done by default but wanted to provide an easy way for users
to access it.  We got numerous complaints and after some months, added
a config option to run it automatically.  We still got complaints and
eventually my colleagues just made it automatically run and provided
no way to turn it off.  No user complaints since.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-07-30 13:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-29 17:27 [PATCH 0/2] Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse cone Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-07-29 17:27 ` [PATCH 1/2] t7519: rewrite sparse index test Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-07-29 17:27 ` [PATCH 2/2] sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-07-30 13:52   ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-02 14:34     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-02 16:17       ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-05  1:55         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-05  3:54           ` Elijah Newren
2021-07-30 13:11 ` Elijah Newren [this message]
2021-08-10 19:50 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse cone Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 1/8] t7519: rewrite sparse index test Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 2/8] sparse-index: silently return when not using cone-mode patterns Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 3/8] sparse-index: silently return when cache tree fails Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-19 18:24     ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-20 15:04       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 4/8] unpack-trees: fix nested sparse-dir search Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 5/8] sparse-checkout: create helper methods Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-12 17:29     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 6/8] attr: be careful about sparse directories Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 7/8] sparse-index: add SPARSE_INDEX_IGNORE_CONFIG flag Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 8/8] sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-17 13:23   ` [PATCH v3 0/8] Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse cone Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 1/8] t7519: rewrite sparse index test Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-19  7:45       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-08-20 15:09         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-20 16:40           ` Eric Sunshine
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 2/8] sparse-index: silently return when not using cone-mode patterns Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 3/8] sparse-index: silently return when cache tree fails Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 4/8] unpack-trees: fix nested sparse-dir search Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-19  8:01       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-08-20 15:18         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-20 19:35           ` René Scharfe
2021-08-20 20:22             ` René Scharfe
2021-08-19 18:29       ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 5/8] sparse-checkout: create helper methods Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-19  8:07       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-08-20 15:30         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 6/8] attr: be careful about sparse directories Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-19  8:11       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-08-20 15:36         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-19 20:53       ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-20 15:39         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-20 16:05           ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 7/8] sparse-index: add SPARSE_INDEX_IGNORE_CONFIG flag Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-18 18:59       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 8/8] sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-19  8:48       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-08-20 15:49         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-20 16:15           ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-20 15:56         ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-23 20:00           ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-08-17 14:09     ` [PATCH v3 0/8] Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse cone Elijah Newren
2021-08-24 21:51     ` [PATCH v4 00/10] " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 01/10] t7519: rewrite sparse index test Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 02/10] sparse-index: silently return when not using cone-mode patterns Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 03/10] sparse-index: silently return when cache tree fails Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 04/10] sparse-index: use WRITE_TREE_MISSING_OK Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:33         ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-30 13:19           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-30 20:08             ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 05/10] unpack-trees: fix nested sparse-dir search Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 22:21         ` René Scharfe
2021-08-25  1:09           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 06/10] sparse-checkout: create helper methods Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 07/10] attr: be careful about sparse directories Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 08/10] sparse-index: add SPARSE_INDEX_MEMORY_ONLY flag Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 09/10] sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 10/10] sparse-checkout: add config to disable deleting dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 20:58         ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-30 13:30           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-30 20:11             ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-27 21:56       ` [PATCH v4 00/10] Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse cone Elijah Newren
2021-08-27 22:01         ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-30 13:34           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-30 20:14             ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-30 13:54         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-30 20:23           ` Elijah Newren
2021-09-08  1:42       ` [PATCH v5 0/9] " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 1/9] t7519: rewrite sparse index test Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 2/9] sparse-index: silently return when not using cone-mode patterns Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 3/9] unpack-trees: fix nested sparse-dir search Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 4/9] sparse-index: silently return when cache tree fails Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 5/9] sparse-index: use WRITE_TREE_MISSING_OK Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 6/9] sparse-checkout: create helper methods Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 7/9] attr: be careful about sparse directories Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 8/9] sparse-index: add SPARSE_INDEX_MEMORY_ONLY flag Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 9/9] sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  5:21         ` [PATCH v5 0/9] Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse cone Junio C Hamano
2021-09-08  6:56           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-08 11:39             ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-08 16:11               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-08  5:30         ` Elijah Newren

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