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From: Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Cc: "Johannes Sixt" <j6t@kdbg.org>,
	"Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>, "Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"David Aguilar" <davvid@gmail.com>,
	"Sergey Organov" <sorganov@gmail.com>,
	"Bagas Sanjaya" <bagasdotme@gmail.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Denton Liu" <liu.denton@gmail.com>,
	"Git Mailing List" <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/7] xdiff: make diff3 the default conflictStyle
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 10:57:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABPp-BGtYnVPijg2OWoDBM915-PPFXk1O3H=BMf_itc4dNjAxQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <60c39e1c52c04_8d0f208b2@natae.notmuch>

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 10:32 AM Felipe Contreras
<felipe.contreras@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Elijah Newren wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 7:25 AM Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Personally I have never experienced what you posted, so maybe there's
> > > something else happening behind the scenes.
> > >
> > > Maybe merge-ort changed something.
> >
> > merge-ort made no changes relative to content merges or choice of merge
> > bases.  (In fact, merge ort doesn't even handle content merges; that's the
> > xdiff layer.)  Even if merge-ort had made changes in this area, merge-ort
> > is not the default and I didn't see the necessary config tweaks in your
> > list of config options.  (I would have recommended against people using
> > merge ort until 7bec8e7fa6 ("Merge branch 'en/ort-readiness'", 2021-04-16),
> > which only made it into a release last week with 2.32.  I probably won't be
> > recommending it as the default at least until the optimization work is
> > merged and it's hard to predict how many more months that will take.)
>
> Indeed, I tested on v2.25 and found the same output.
>
> I thought of merge-ort because 1) I've never seen such kind of output
> before, and 2) grepping the code I thought I saw merge-ort being the
> default of something, but now I seem to be unable to find where.

We have briefly discussed multiple times what things might be needed
to eventually make merge-ort the default (though it's not even
complete yet; I'm five months into upstreaming the optimization
patches with an unknown number of months left).  There were also a
couple patches to make the _tests_ default to using merge-ort on most
platforms, while still keeping one suite that tests merge-recursive to
ensure we don't add breakage.  Perhaps one of those is what you're
thinking of?

> > It's more likely that the codebases you work with just don't have
> > criss-cross merges.
>
> Yes, that's it.
>
> I don't see why people in these kinds of codebases would like diff3
> doing that by default.

I suspect they don't[1].  What's the alternative, though?  Not using
diff3?  Picking a different base to avoid the occasional nested
conflict in the inner merge region, but which overall has much worse
other side effects?  I think Junio was addressing this when he
recently said elsewhere in this thread that "Rejecting diff3 style
output because of the way a conflicted part in the inner merge appears
as a common ancestor version may be throwing the baby out with the
bathwater"[2].  Sure, it's an annoyance, but diff3 is still a good
option and there is no current solution to the annoying nested merge
display.

Also, not sure whether it matters or not, but just for completeness I
should point out that you can get nested conflict markers without
criss-cross merges and without merge.conflictStyle=diff3.  It's just
much more rare.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/git/CAPc5daUC+6cHpexXTO24p4mG_5eL1JmxrYm8h3UfdTh_FMka=w@mail.gmail.com/
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/git/xmqqh7i5ci3t.fsf@gitster.g/

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-11 17:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-09 19:28 [PATCH 0/7] Make diff3 the default conflict style Felipe Contreras
2021-06-09 19:28 ` [PATCH 1/7] test: add merge style config test Felipe Contreras
2021-06-09 19:42   ` Eric Sunshine
2021-06-09 20:29     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10  9:18   ` Phillip Wood
2021-06-10 13:26     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10 14:54       ` Phillip Wood
2021-06-10 16:34         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10 14:58       ` Phillip Wood
2021-06-10 16:47         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11  9:19           ` Phillip Wood
2021-06-11 14:39             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-09 19:28 ` [PATCH 2/7] merge-tree: fix merge.conflictstyle handling Felipe Contreras
2021-06-09 19:28 ` [PATCH 3/7] notes: " Felipe Contreras
2021-06-09 19:28 ` [PATCH 4/7] checkout: " Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10  9:32   ` Phillip Wood
2021-06-10 14:11     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10 14:50       ` Phillip Wood
2021-06-10 16:32         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11  9:18           ` Phillip Wood
2021-06-11 14:34             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11  9:18   ` Phillip Wood
2021-06-09 19:28 ` [PATCH 5/7] xdiff: rename XDL_MERGE_STYLE_DIFF3 Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10  9:21   ` Phillip Wood
2021-06-10 13:33     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11  3:17     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-11 13:42       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-09 19:28 ` [PATCH 6/7] xdiff: simplify style assignments Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10  9:26   ` Phillip Wood
2021-06-10 13:50     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-09 19:28 ` [PATCH 7/7] xdiff: make diff3 the default conflictStyle Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10  6:41   ` Johannes Sixt
2021-06-10  7:53     ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2021-06-10 13:18       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10 13:18     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10 13:49     ` Jeff King
2021-06-10 16:00       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10 16:31         ` Jeff King
2021-06-11  1:20       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-11  6:23         ` Johannes Sixt
2021-06-11  6:43           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-11  7:02             ` Johannes Sixt
2021-06-11  7:14               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-11 11:51                 ` Sergey Organov
2021-06-11 15:32                   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11 15:52                     ` Sergey Organov
2021-06-11 16:36                       ` Felipe Contreras
     [not found]                     ` <CABPp-BHRQSF2_aYTBfpfnW4Bh3Hz7vLFj_QNGj8R4WeCS6_utw@mail.gmail.com>
2021-06-11 17:57                       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11 19:02                         ` Elijah Newren
2021-06-11 21:05                           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11 21:40                             ` Elijah Newren
2021-06-13 14:34                               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11 16:41                   ` Johannes Sixt
2021-06-11 17:21                     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11 17:40                       ` Sergey Organov
2021-06-11 18:10                         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11 18:22                           ` Sergey Organov
2021-06-11 14:28                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11 14:25               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11 16:53                 ` Johannes Sixt
     [not found]                 ` <CABPp-BH0aRiSUw03nSK6jHRNQ+zcpUzr6WjeJ5GpdUCqCKxbag@mail.gmail.com>
2021-06-11 17:32                   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11 17:57                     ` Elijah Newren [this message]
2021-06-11 18:28                       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11 14:20           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11 14:09         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10  9:40   ` Phillip Wood
2021-06-10 14:19     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-17 17:40 ` [PATCH 0/7] Make diff3 the default conflict style Phillip Wood
2021-06-17 18:24   ` Felipe Contreras

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