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From: Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Cc: "Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	"Git Mailing List" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Derrick Stolee" <dstolee@microsoft.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	"Jonathan Tan" <jonathantanmy@google.com>,
	"Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"Jonathan Nieder" <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	"Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	"Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/13] Declare merge-ort ready for general usage
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 16:21:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABPp-BGm1R0OVywK50eMf9OWKv95nA+V2bzX6WLm2iFvfN_i9Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <80cccc70-296a-05d2-94a8-0e005e4abe1d@gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 6:09 AM Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 3/17/2021 5:27 PM, Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget wrote:
> > This series depends on ort-perf-batch-10[1], and obsoletes the ort-remainder
> > topic[2] (that hadn't been picked up yet, so hopefully this doesn't cause
> > any confusion)
> >
> > With this series, merge-ort is ready for general usage -- it passes all
> > tests, passes dozens of tests that don't under merge-recursive, and
> > merge-ort is is already significantly faster than merge-recursive when
> > rename detection is involved. Users can select merge-ort by (a) passing
> > -sort to either git merge or git rebase, or (b) by setting pull.twohead=ort
> > [3], or (c) by setting GIT_TEST_MERGE_ALGORITHM=ort.
> >
> > Changes since v1:
> >
> >  * subsumed the ort-remainder topic (the first 10 patches), which has
> >    already been reviewed by both Ævar and Stolee[2].
> >  * the next two patches were the original v1, reviewed by Stolee
> >  * the final patch is new and adds testing.
>
> Sorry for the delay in looking at this. I read the two series before
> this, and found this to be a good union of them.
>
> My only question on the final patch is a two parter:
>
> 1. Did you mean to go this far?

At least, yes.

> 2. Did you want to go farther?

I like your suggestion in the other email; I'll resubmit to take
advantage of it.  :-)

> Mostly: how much do we want to prepare for ORT as the default
> strategy, at the expense of reducing testing of the recursive
> strategy?

We definitely should prepare for merge-ort as the default.  There's a
question of how soon the switch should be, but no question in my mind
that we should move towards it.

What do others think is needed before we switch the default?
Personally, I think there are three things:

1) merge-ort must handle the same cases that merge-recursive does
2) merge-ort must provide some benefit over merge-recursive
3) folks on the mailing list need to be comfortable with the default switch.

What would others add?

The first 2 conditions are already met, in spades.  For all the code
that calls merge-ort, merge-ort handles all the same cases, is more
correct, more performant, and more featureful than merge-recursive.  I
was surprised by how smooth the roll-out was and has continued to be
for internal users at $DAYJOB.

The only question is item #3.  If it weren't for that, I'd say we
should switch the default now, because AFAICT delaying the default
switch will just delay when expanded testing occurs, and I have run
out of other ways to expand testing.  But I realize I'm the only one
who knows that and is comfortable with that.  So I'm not proposing a
default switch yet; I want to hear feedback on what others want to see
done before we switch.  (At some point in the future, say another year
or two, I'll ask what needs to be done before we *delete*
merge-recursive.[ch].  But that's still off in the distant future.)

  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-19 23:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-16  4:05 [PATCH 0/2] Declare merge-ort ready for general usage Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16  4:05 ` [PATCH 1/2] Revert "merge-ort: ignore the directory rename split conflict for now" Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16  4:05 ` [PATCH 2/2] t6423: mark remaining expected failure under merge-ort as such Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16 17:01 ` [PATCH 0/2] Declare merge-ort ready for general usage Derrick Stolee
2021-03-16 17:25   ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-16 17:33     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-17 21:27 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] " Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 21:27   ` [PATCH v2 01/13] merge-ort: use STABLE_QSORT instead of QSORT where required Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 21:27   ` [PATCH v2 02/13] merge-ort: add a special minimal index just for renormalization Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 21:27   ` [PATCH v2 03/13] merge-ort: have ll_merge() use a special attr_index " Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 21:27   ` [PATCH v2 04/13] merge-ort: let renormalization change modify/delete into clean delete Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 21:27   ` [PATCH v2 05/13] merge-ort: support subtree shifting Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 21:27   ` [PATCH v2 06/13] t6428: new test for SKIP_WORKTREE handling and conflicts Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 21:27   ` [PATCH v2 07/13] merge-ort: implement CE_SKIP_WORKTREE handling with conflicted entries Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 21:28   ` [PATCH v2 08/13] t: mark several submodule merging tests as fixed under merge-ort Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 21:28   ` [PATCH v2 09/13] merge-ort: write $GIT_DIR/AUTO_MERGE whenever we hit a conflict Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 21:28   ` [PATCH v2 10/13] merge-recursive: add a bunch of FIXME comments documenting known bugs Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 21:28   ` [PATCH v2 11/13] Revert "merge-ort: ignore the directory rename split conflict for now" Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 21:28   ` [PATCH v2 12/13] t6423: mark remaining expected failure under merge-ort as such Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 21:28   ` [PATCH v2 13/13] Add testing with merge-ort merge strategy Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-19 13:05     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-19 15:21       ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-19 13:09   ` [PATCH v2 00/13] Declare merge-ort ready for general usage Derrick Stolee
2021-03-19 23:21     ` Elijah Newren [this message]
2021-03-19 23:35     ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-20  0:03   ` [PATCH v3 " Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-20  0:03     ` [PATCH v3 01/13] merge-ort: use STABLE_QSORT instead of QSORT where required Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-20  0:03     ` [PATCH v3 02/13] merge-ort: add a special minimal index just for renormalization Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-20  0:03     ` [PATCH v3 03/13] merge-ort: have ll_merge() use a special attr_index " Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-20  0:03     ` [PATCH v3 04/13] merge-ort: let renormalization change modify/delete into clean delete Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-20  0:03     ` [PATCH v3 05/13] merge-ort: support subtree shifting Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-20  0:03     ` [PATCH v3 06/13] t6428: new test for SKIP_WORKTREE handling and conflicts Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-20  0:03     ` [PATCH v3 07/13] merge-ort: implement CE_SKIP_WORKTREE handling with conflicted entries Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-20  0:03     ` [PATCH v3 08/13] t: mark several submodule merging tests as fixed under merge-ort Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-20  0:03     ` [PATCH v3 09/13] merge-ort: write $GIT_DIR/AUTO_MERGE whenever we hit a conflict Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-20  0:03     ` [PATCH v3 10/13] merge-recursive: add a bunch of FIXME comments documenting known bugs Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-20  0:03     ` [PATCH v3 11/13] Revert "merge-ort: ignore the directory rename split conflict for now" Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-20  0:03     ` [PATCH v3 12/13] t6423: mark remaining expected failure under merge-ort as such Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-20  0:03     ` [PATCH v3 13/13] Add testing with merge-ort merge strategy Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-20  1:49     ` [PATCH v3 00/13] Declare merge-ort ready for general usage Derrick Stolee

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