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From: Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Matheus Tavares <matheus.bernardino@usp.br>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rm: honor sparse checkout patterns
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 09:06:58 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABPp-BGMX3wb7LiS1HkJpGveoW3J1oR0vVHbKTF5+qYLRF+59g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABPp-BHvZyb4cF29HqDYgMHTMEr2LdvKYATWqADRyhqJzB=Liw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:20 PM Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 12:14 PM Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > Matheus Tavares <matheus.bernardino@usp.br> writes:
> >
> > > Make git-rm honor the 'sparse.restrictCmds' setting, by restricting its
> > > operation to the paths that match both the command line pathspecs and
> > > the repository's sparsity patterns.
> >
> > > This better matches the expectations
> > > of users with sparse-checkout definitions, while still allowing them
> > > to optionally enable the old behavior with 'sparse.restrictCmds=false'
> > > or the global '--no-restrict-to-sparse-paths' option.
> >
> > Hmph.  Is "rm" the only oddball that ignores the sparse setting?
>
> This might make you much less happy, but in general none of the
> commands pay attention to the setting; I think a line or two in

This isn't quite right; as noted at the just submitted [1], there are
three different classes of ways that existing commands at least
partially pay attention to the setting.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/git/5143cba7047d25137b3d7f8c7811a875c1931aee.1605891222.git.gitgitgadget@gmail.com/

> merge-recursive.c is the only part of the codebase outside of
> unpack_trees() that pays any attention to it at all.  This was noted
> as a problem in the initial review of the sparse-checkout series at
> [1], and was the biggest factor behind me requesting the following
> being added to the manpage for sparse-checkout[2]:
>
> THIS COMMAND IS EXPERIMENTAL. ITS BEHAVIOR, AND THE BEHAVIOR OF OTHER
> COMMANDS IN THE PRESENCE OF SPARSE-CHECKOUTS, WILL LIKELY CHANGE IN
> THE FUTURE.

The fact that commands have only somewhat paid attention to this
setting is still a problem, though.  In fact, it was apparently a
known problem as far back as 2009 just from looking at the short list
of TODOs at the end of that file.

> > >  to the paths specified by the sparsity patterns, or to the intersection of
> > >  those paths and any (like `*.c`) that the user might also specify on the
> > >  command line. When false, the affected commands will work on full trees,
> > > -ignoring the sparsity patterns. For now, only git-grep honors this setting.
> > > +ignoring the sparsity patterns. For now, only git-grep and git-rm honor this
> > > +setting.
> >
> > I am not sure if this is a good direction to go---can we make an
> > inventory of all commands that affect working tree files and see
> > which ones need the same treatment before going forward with just
> > "grep" and "rm"?  Documenting the decision on the ones that will not
> > get the same treatment may also be a good idea.  What I am aiming
> > for is to prevent users from having to know in which versions of Git
> > they can rely on the sparsity patterns with what commands, and doing
> > things piecemeal like these two topics would be a road to confusion.
>
> It's not just commands which affect the working tree that need to be
> inventoried and adjusted.  We've made lists of commands in the past:
>
> [3] https://lore.kernel.org/git/CABPp-BEbNCYk0pCuEDQ_ViB2=varJPBsVODxNvJs0EVRyBqjBg@mail.gmail.com/
> [4] https://lore.kernel.org/git/xmqqy2y3ejwe.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com/

So, I think there are a few other commands that need to be modified
the same way rm is here by Matheus, a longer list of commands than
what I previously linked to for other modifications, some warnings and
error messages that need to be cleaned up, and a fair amount of
additional testing needed.  I also think we need to revisit the flag
names for --restrict-to-sparse-paths and
--no-restrict-to-sparse-paths; some feedback I'm getting suggest they
might be more frequently used than I originally suspected and thus we
might want shorter names.  (--sparse and --dense?)  So we probably
want to wait off on both mt/grep-sparse-checkout and
mt/rm-sparse-checkout (sorry Matheus) and maybe my recently submitted
stash changes (though those don't have an exposed
--[no]-restrict-to-sparse-paths flag and are modelled on existing
merge behavior) until we have a bigger plan in place.

But I only dug into it a bit while working on the stash apply bug; I'm
going to dig more (probably just after Thanksgiving) and perhaps make
a Documentation/technical/ file of some sort to propose more plans
here.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-20 17:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-12 21:01 [PATCH] rm: honor sparse checkout patterns Matheus Tavares
2020-11-12 23:54 ` Elijah Newren
2020-11-13 13:47   ` Derrick Stolee
2020-11-15 20:12     ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2020-11-15 21:42       ` Johannes Sixt
2020-11-16 12:37         ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2020-11-23 13:23           ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-24  2:48             ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2020-11-16 14:30     ` Jeff Hostetler
2020-11-17  4:53       ` Elijah Newren
2020-11-16 13:58 ` [PATCH v2] " Matheus Tavares
2021-02-17 21:02   ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] add/rm: honor sparse checkout and warn on sparse paths Matheus Tavares
2021-02-17 21:02     ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] add --chmod: don't update index when --dry-run is used Matheus Tavares
2021-02-17 21:45       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-18  1:33         ` Matheus Tavares
2021-02-17 21:02     ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] add: include magic part of pathspec on --refresh error Matheus Tavares
2021-02-17 22:20       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-17 21:02     ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] t3705: add tests for `git add` in sparse checkouts Matheus Tavares
2021-02-17 23:01       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-17 23:22         ` Eric Sunshine
2021-02-17 23:34           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-18  3:11           ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-02-18  3:07         ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-02-18 14:38           ` Matheus Tavares
2021-02-18 19:05             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-18 19:02           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-22 18:53         ` Elijah Newren
2021-02-17 21:02     ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] add: make --chmod and --renormalize honor " Matheus Tavares
2021-02-17 21:02     ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] pathspec: allow to ignore SKIP_WORKTREE entries on index matching Matheus Tavares
2021-02-17 21:02     ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] add: warn when pathspec only matches SKIP_WORKTREE entries Matheus Tavares
2021-02-19  0:34       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-19 17:11         ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-02-17 21:02     ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] rm: honor sparse checkout patterns Matheus Tavares
2021-02-22 18:57     ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] add/rm: honor sparse checkout and warn on sparse paths Elijah Newren
2021-02-24  4:05     ` [PATCH v2 " Matheus Tavares
2021-02-24  4:05       ` [PATCH v2 1/7] add: include magic part of pathspec on --refresh error Matheus Tavares
2021-02-24  4:05       ` [PATCH v2 2/7] t3705: add tests for `git add` in sparse checkouts Matheus Tavares
2021-02-24  5:15         ` Elijah Newren
2021-02-24  4:05       ` [PATCH v2 3/7] add: make --chmod and --renormalize honor " Matheus Tavares
2021-02-24  4:05       ` [PATCH v2 4/7] pathspec: allow to ignore SKIP_WORKTREE entries on index matching Matheus Tavares
2021-02-24  5:23         ` Elijah Newren
2021-02-24  4:05       ` [PATCH v2 5/7] refresh_index(): add REFRESH_DONT_MARK_SPARSE_MATCHES flag Matheus Tavares
2021-02-24  4:05       ` [PATCH v2 6/7] add: warn when pathspec only matches SKIP_WORKTREE entries Matheus Tavares
2021-02-24  6:50         ` Elijah Newren
2021-02-24 15:33           ` Matheus Tavares
2021-03-04 15:23           ` Matheus Tavares
2021-03-04 17:21             ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-04 21:03               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-04 22:48                 ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-04 21:26               ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-02-24  4:05       ` [PATCH v2 7/7] rm: honor sparse checkout patterns Matheus Tavares
2021-02-24  6:59         ` Elijah Newren
2021-02-24  7:05       ` [PATCH v2 0/7] add/rm: honor sparse checkout and warn on sparse paths Elijah Newren
2021-03-12 22:47       ` [PATCH v3 " Matheus Tavares
2021-03-12 22:47         ` [PATCH v3 1/7] add: include magic part of pathspec on --refresh error Matheus Tavares
2021-03-12 22:47         ` [PATCH v3 2/7] t3705: add tests for `git add` in sparse checkouts Matheus Tavares
2021-03-23 20:00           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-12 22:47         ` [PATCH v3 3/7] add: make --chmod and --renormalize honor " Matheus Tavares
2021-03-12 22:47         ` [PATCH v3 4/7] pathspec: allow to ignore SKIP_WORKTREE entries on index matching Matheus Tavares
2021-03-12 22:48         ` [PATCH v3 5/7] refresh_index(): add REFRESH_DONT_MARK_SPARSE_MATCHES flag Matheus Tavares
2021-03-18 23:45           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-19  0:00             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-19 12:23               ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-03-19 16:05                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-30 18:51                   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-03-31  9:14                     ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-12 22:48         ` [PATCH v3 6/7] add: warn when asked to update SKIP_WORKTREE entries Matheus Tavares
2021-03-12 22:48         ` [PATCH v3 7/7] rm: honor sparse checkout patterns Matheus Tavares
2021-03-21 23:03           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-22  1:08             ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-03-23 20:47           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-13  7:07         ` [PATCH v3 0/7] add/rm: honor sparse checkout and warn on sparse paths Elijah Newren
2021-04-08 20:41         ` [PATCH v4 " Matheus Tavares
2021-04-08 20:41           ` [PATCH v4 1/7] add: include magic part of pathspec on --refresh error Matheus Tavares
2021-04-08 20:41           ` [PATCH v4 2/7] t3705: add tests for `git add` in sparse checkouts Matheus Tavares
2021-04-14 16:39             ` Derrick Stolee
2021-04-08 20:41           ` [PATCH v4 3/7] add: make --chmod and --renormalize honor " Matheus Tavares
2021-04-08 20:41           ` [PATCH v4 4/7] pathspec: allow to ignore SKIP_WORKTREE entries on index matching Matheus Tavares
2021-04-08 20:41           ` [PATCH v4 5/7] refresh_index(): add flag to ignore SKIP_WORKTREE entries Matheus Tavares
2021-04-08 20:41           ` [PATCH v4 6/7] add: warn when asked to update " Matheus Tavares
2021-04-08 20:41           ` [PATCH v4 7/7] rm: honor sparse checkout patterns Matheus Tavares
2021-04-14 16:36           ` [PATCH v4 0/7] add/rm: honor sparse checkout and warn on sparse paths Elijah Newren
2021-04-14 18:04             ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-04-16 21:33           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-16 23:17             ` Elijah Newren
2020-11-16 20:14 ` [PATCH] rm: honor sparse checkout patterns Junio C Hamano
2020-11-17  5:20   ` Elijah Newren
2020-11-20 17:06     ` Elijah Newren [this message]
2020-12-31 20:03       ` sparse-checkout questions and proposals [Was: Re: [PATCH] rm: honor sparse checkout patterns] Elijah Newren
2021-01-04  3:02         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-01-06 19:15           ` Elijah Newren
2021-01-07 12:53             ` Derrick Stolee
2021-01-07 17:36               ` Elijah Newren

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