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From: Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Victoria Dye <vdye@github.com>,
	Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com>,
	Shaoxuan Yuan <shaoxuan.yuan02@gmail.com>,
	Matheus Tavares <matheus.bernardino@usp.br>,
	ZheNing Hu <adlternative@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sparse-checkout.txt: new document with sparse-checkout directions
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 00:49:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABPp-BF1+3Ze46H6DpnYv5eHLFSnB7Scszu0HdqFj1VRYBarWQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqczbg9613.fsf@gitster.g>

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 8:44 AM Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> "Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > +  * Does the name --[no-]restrict sound good to others?  Are there better options?
>
> Everybody in this thread are interested in sparse checkout, which
> unfortunately blinds them from the fact that "restrict to", "limit
> to", "focus on", etc. need not to be limited to the sparse checkout
> feature.  We must have something that hints that the option is about
> the sparse checkout feature.
>
> As to the verbs, I do not mind "restrict to".  Other good ones I do
> not mind choosing are "limit to" and "focus on".  They would equally
> convey the same thing in this context.  And the object for these
> verb phrases are the area of interest, those paths without the
> skip-worktree bit, the paths outside the sparse cone(s).
>
> Or we could go the other way.  We are excluding those paths with the
> skip-worktree bit, so "exclude" and "ignore" are natural candidates.

If you're thinking about plain "exclude", that's already a flag in
'apply', 'am', 'clean', and 'ls-files'.

Also, if you want these words alone, then they also seem to lack hints
that the option is about the sparse checkout feature.  Expand them a
bit, perhaps?  "--ignore-sparsity"?
"--exclude-sparse-checkout-restrictions"?

Assuming we are worried about needing "--no-" variants, wouldn't the
risk of a "--no-ignore-sparsity" be worse than a "--no-restrict" in
terms of awkwardness, given the double negative?

> These two classes are good if the "restrict" behaviour will never be
> the default.  When it is the default, the option often used will
> become "--no-restrict", which is awkward.
>
>         Personally I am slightly in favor of "focus on" (i.e.
>         "--focus" vs "--unfocus") as that meshes well with the
>         concept of "the areas of the working tree paths that I am
>         interested in right now", which may already hint that the
>         option is about the sparse checkout feature (i.e. "I am
>         focusing on these areas right now") and can stay short.  But
>         this is just one person's opinion.

I'll add --focus/--unfocus to the list.  --unfocus seems a bit more
awkward to me than --no-restrict, but that might just be me.  If
others really liked it, I'd be fine with it.

Right now, I'm leaning a bit more towards Stolee's
--scope={sparse,all} (or maybe --scope={sparse,dense}?)

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-28  7:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-25  0:09 [PATCH] sparse-checkout.txt: new document with sparse-checkout directions Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2022-09-26 17:20 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-26 17:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-27  3:05   ` Elijah Newren
2022-09-27  4:30     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-26 20:08 ` Victoria Dye
2022-09-26 22:36   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-27  7:30     ` Elijah Newren
2022-09-27 16:07       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-28  6:13         ` Elijah Newren
2022-09-27  6:09   ` Elijah Newren
2022-09-27 16:42   ` Derrick Stolee
2022-09-28  5:42     ` Elijah Newren
2022-09-27 15:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-28  7:49   ` Elijah Newren [this message]
2022-09-27 16:36 ` Derrick Stolee
2022-09-28  5:38   ` Elijah Newren
2022-09-28 13:22     ` Derrick Stolee
2022-10-06  7:10       ` Elijah Newren
2022-10-06 18:27         ` Derrick Stolee
2022-10-07  2:56           ` Elijah Newren
2022-09-30  9:54     ` ZheNing Hu
2022-10-06  7:53       ` Elijah Newren
2022-10-15  2:17         ` ZheNing Hu
2022-10-15  4:37           ` Elijah Newren
2022-10-15 14:49             ` ZheNing Hu
2022-09-30  9:09   ` ZheNing Hu
2022-09-28  8:32 ` [PATCH v2] " Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2022-10-08 22:52   ` [PATCH v3] " Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2022-11-06  6:04     ` [PATCH v4] " Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 20:44       ` Derrick Stolee
2022-11-16  4:39         ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-15  4:03       ` ZheNing Hu
2022-11-16  3:18         ` ZheNing Hu
2022-11-16  6:51           ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-16  5:49         ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-16 10:04           ` ZheNing Hu
2022-11-16 10:10             ` ZheNing Hu
2022-11-16 14:33               ` ZheNing Hu
2022-11-19  2:36                 ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-19  2:15             ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-23  9:08               ` ZheNing Hu
2023-01-14 10:18           ` ZheNing Hu
2023-01-20  4:30             ` Elijah Newren
2023-01-23 15:05               ` ZheNing Hu
2023-01-24  3:17                 ` Elijah Newren

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