From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF4C1F5AE for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 20:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1731612AbgFPUPf (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:15:35 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:59974 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1729167AbgFPUPc (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:15:32 -0400 Received: from mail-ot1-x336.google.com (mail-ot1-x336.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::336]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59196C061573 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-x336.google.com with SMTP id g5so16982806otg.6 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:15:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=EDsKcFBsdFOYsW4IUO2esZUdl4g2WuhI7Pk6gH07rh8=; b=lXkedZze37s8KmPmSX+2f9E6AeLN5E4bwJrcbGP7h1H6QYQimrg2P2abu5g5Vof/y4 3Up76Dfl4p2+sS1CT4I4hl+vMO0yUhFCcJ9EoaV84rCge0jW/PH7nmDab0Aq0QQhcXDJ ZMmedLrOvDp3HE/znHY6eNx5CQEiiygxEYuFIen2mMw447yMcOmZqQoxXty4YvHFR3GF 443harSvYHalLxH+jtqSFLCguldgCdOIk90giwoTtYbgP2yRTnjAAi6DWC3DrThbUNLx DflwsmH+nMfFzGoGblEWD94BCR9NDOFK6ELGfyzP0Ne6BXr/frAxJJ9ErxdevtMG3HHT g2uA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=EDsKcFBsdFOYsW4IUO2esZUdl4g2WuhI7Pk6gH07rh8=; b=R3dEWvnQOfTr0tlAc0EQRu7axdnf4f49hE3x5n8VBpbG2KDGH5o23gwnog8jkVMzep zqtbCQhC5Vqlm6uYdLISyWPSFfU4UwP+IAYQD5JJVs8B5DF2Tcm64eXOFVZdJaaLVfp4 xqkvH1aQh/Oqe2T4abx9URULTJU4gRmgdp4UAzs+/VScga8Ch6So/IBk/l2CnUYVBrFK 7GuFAObXAqK3RAPf4wmosudQQNsEh9xq8lZKrQ5gdPShXNOJ+RISPJ/cRvVAh/CYT6ud mJlM7G4MG1F96NzDHFSJsrGCV850uhE9MujaHRJWkWcssSViXTBKgh6B0gyy+BClFX/w H0nQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53269Yyx0lv/jamap3f2GyehMXdg9+fXroEE/9c9q2/kfDXjBkAa MpPWZIyn71Pno77Akg4WbIvGejt+Rgo2ZBwWAg1tr6/1WAs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyx/FiqQArDABYqylO/6p6i/XExi9qOWYeGkKLfNJhJHZV//4Ha53Un/q1EbQQp8CzUxLFASB55edivesG75mM= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7606:: with SMTP id k6mr4130530otl.316.1592338529488; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:15:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Elijah Newren Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:15:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: git-for-windows supporting public shaming and repressing community's opinion To: Kaue Doretto Grecchi Cc: Git Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 12:30 PM Kaue Doretto Grecchi wrote: > > Recently I've been blocked from the git-for-windows Github repository > because of this > (https://github.com/git-for-windows/git/issues/2674#issuecomment-643795833) Most your comment looks fine to me, but this part clearly was not: "So your argument is really dull and kind of childish." I'm not part of git-for-windows, but I'd likely also start blocking people when name calling starts, so I can't fault them for it. I don't know what their process is for unblocking people if they amend their ways or after a cool-down period or whatever, so I can't really comment further. > comment. At the same time the following user was not blocked and his > comment hasn't been marked "off-topic" until the issue was closed to > "only collaborators" due to the high rate of people disagreeing with > the motivations of the issue. > > (https://github.com/git-for-windows/git/issues/2674#issuecomment-642049938) > > > mlvzk 6 days ago > > > > Agreed. On a side note, GitHub should maintain a repository with a list of developers that still > > use the master/slave terminology. Perhaps that'd be enough of an incentive for some to change - > name and shame! > > We could also have an icon on their profile page that'd flag them as dangerous. I agree with you that this comment looks like it should have been marked off-topic earlier and seems problematic. It does avoid being directly disrespectful and thus might not technically violate the code of conduct, but I am definitely not a fan of their trying to suggest that other folks should violate it (their suggestion seems to be that GitHub should do things that would not fit with using welcoming and inclusive language, or being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences, or showing empathy to other community members, or assume the best intentions, etc.). > It is appalling that the repo's maintainers kept this comment and > allowed the user to continue interacting, while suppressing and > blocking users who were on-topic, having a civil, respectful > discussion but happened to disagree with the issue's author (dscho - > https://github.com/dscho) reasons. Just my own guess here, but I think calling others' arguments "dull and kind of childish" is not civil or respectful, and thus that you missed the reasons for your being blocked. Hope that helps, Elijah