From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS3215 2.6.0.0/16 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.4 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from out1.vger.email (out1.vger.email [IPv6:2620:137:e000::1:20]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4A61F4D7 for ; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: dcvr.yhbt.net; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=google.com header.i=@google.com header.b="Z7J18E/7"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1351507AbiETQR6 (ORCPT ); Fri, 20 May 2022 12:17:58 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:55816 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1351493AbiETQR5 (ORCPT ); Fri, 20 May 2022 12:17:57 -0400 Received: from mail-vk1-xa2e.google.com (mail-vk1-xa2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a2e]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4672F6D86A for ; Fri, 20 May 2022 09:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk1-xa2e.google.com with SMTP id q136so4324838vke.10 for ; Fri, 20 May 2022 09:17:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8APOvX51O/r6CMgS3UB/fSDNRqUti30E5WUEbWI/RN0=; b=Z7J18E/7s8Cfqp5kcDCqdEWQnVUTRXiSJmTd+YqpBG77e3R9qpKCBS3EqVUZjvmZ+4 rIsYWvLzAQFblKbvOnp8iytzjR1LT9r6/xsrWIKiRtgPa7veq84I9ZFePqWTn6zs3Ula cALggXMudvVVfQPJQSQD1hu5W/mC0E1An+F6fMbSd7Tz0MH5SLWcZWZ0IlZuGYjBU53i rrtokzhqWN0VL5Tzb8/pP2dQm8DWygo4jklqAs8w2/KCEWO+AOQxp2BSzUuSzUJ7VG47 T4/B8SRrAZZJCRyqcMxQHSVBozwObJUb/LcqwVmfeA3pfIkVYSMgSrY6oVD+wGfoQ1kn KhQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8APOvX51O/r6CMgS3UB/fSDNRqUti30E5WUEbWI/RN0=; b=7lAj8RiM/dMvlPvE2lDbrGQfwkHOuT1+IOmGQCapC3aJhA58psufRYCa4XgWKHUrSk av3Wqr18Vy/fUSzJ+yLAifqT5pzkOE2Td78wKZknCyHRtgyihv/x5j8LtP1ZZndR3XFs ktjw3yPgWQLIKD7mwgDqcMEdkZHX1VEDrS3wfu4o/ZsKbrlzlaKkYP3VdeCl3dDUJ7qG DK2HOgSebkSXU1AlPBnD1Uqqwh3VIfK8ZeMk+ZWuwKR38VK+KCgRKTRq4EpufVxHhBR4 CUfZPJbZu+MyBJApeycT5KQ66X+c96ZucKhZa+6T6xU+ERU624ykcJw98GaLW46W+klF vvLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531X/8wlydJ7bNU2YC0zRpa8/JYwtz+d1c2ifCKCSRT9voCp4eKM 6JxedozK4/jaN6Ny9rIEsXMr88+JgnNjYqCzMu7jiQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyB/VxgRa8R+XCWHNm7jCa4LaTwb2B90zFzHsE9dxAOU4oCa7sepwo27HS4Y9sQpHeOozm/fg3ClZSKT2swPSg= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:2fd6:0:b0:357:6498:8e48 with SMTP id v205-20020a1f2fd6000000b0035764988e48mr983362vkv.14.1653063475206; Fri, 20 May 2022 09:17:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Alice Merrick Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 09:17:42 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Let's have a user experience workshop To: Emily Shaffer Cc: Jonathan Nieder , Git List , David Aguilar Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org >"3. Testing ideas > with users" I would find it worrisome if getting user input would > require reviews on a given patch stalling out until the next monthly > meeting. (Reviews are already slower than they should be as it is!) > I don't know that that's what you meant to suggest; I'm just aiming to > understand what you mean about the "all 4" above. I agree, you wouldn't want to wait until something is in review to get user feedback or testing. I think a Lean UX (https://www.scaledagileframework.com/lean-ux/) approach would be more appropriate especially when there is no designated UX person. You might need to lean more heavily on design standards and instrumentation for feedback, but sessions with users would still be important for developing standards and could be used as needed if it's not possible to do them on a regular basis. > > > I'd envision it as something between a working group and a book club - > > > we could learn different aspects of UX design and research, and apply > > > them in various ways. I like this idea. A working group could work on developing design standards and work out what to measure and how to measure it. -- Alice Merrick | UX Researcher | amerrick@google.com | 206-785-7532