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From: Jacob Keller <jacob.keller@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Graeme Geldenhuys <graemeg@gmail.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Git's inconsistent command line options
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:49:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+P7+xrYugueYYrrJV0pduAHCg7CLknE_0QYcU8mO6idntz=VA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPc5daUdVQSAhrig046qGopVuxCDagZg3v9bwXOaC3SvC2MRnw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys <graemeg@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Even though I have worked with Git since 2009, I still have to
>> reference the help to remind me of what parameter to use in certain
>> situation simply because similar tasks differ so much.
>>
>> Maybe we could address this in the next major version of Git? Has
>> anybody else thought about this or started work on this? Or was this
>> discussed before and declined (link?).
>
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/231478 comes to mind,
> which has been linked from this entry:
>
> Discuss and decide if we want to choose between the "mode word" UI
> (e.g. "git submodule add") and the "mode option" UI (e.g. "git tag --delete")
> and standardise on one; if it turns out to be a good idea, devise the migration
> plan to break the backward-compatibility.
>
> in http://git-blame.blogspot.com/p/leftover-bits.html

I would vote for command words, as this is clean and simple. The
downside is in converting all the old options based commands, git-tag,
and similar. These commands cannot easily convert because "valid"
sequences would become invalid with no easy way to deprecate for
example in the linked gmane above, "git tag delete master" can't be a
call to delete master as it is currently a call to create a tag
"delete" at the commit marked by master.

I can't think of an easy way to deprecate the change in behavior over
time, which means that making a conversion would require some other as
yet unknown way?

It may be possible to convert other options based commands, such as
how git-branch and git-checkout do things which seem highly unrelated.
A good example is how checkout is used to both change branches, as
well as can create a branch, and can also checkout a file. The "reset"
command is used to rewind history, as well as potentially reset *all*
files, but it can't be used to reset a single file, and is completely
different from revert. Some of these distinctions are ok because it's
just no good way to make everything easy.

Some of these could be fixed by the command word setup, but as many
have mentioned an actual migration plan is difficult.

Personally, I don't want to move to the command option "--status"
format, as I think these aren't really options, and are very much
sub-subcommands. I think we should try to push more uses of this
style, and try to determine a possible migration path towards using
them. Maybe some warts simply aren't worth the effort to fix though.

Other issues are tricker to solve, and are result of git exposing more
complex functionality and users eventually simply have to learn and
understand.

Regards,
Jake

  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-25 21:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-25  8:01 Git's inconsistent command line options Graeme Geldenhuys
2015-08-25 15:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-08-25 21:49   ` Jacob Keller [this message]
2015-08-25 22:06     ` Stefan Beller
2015-08-25 22:21       ` Jacob Keller
2015-08-25 23:43       ` Junio C Hamano
2015-08-26  1:30         ` Hilco Wijbenga
2015-08-26 17:56           ` Junio C Hamano
2015-08-26 18:10             ` Jacob Keller
2015-08-26 20:48               ` Junio C Hamano
2015-08-26 22:52               ` Philip Oakley
2015-08-26 23:02                 ` Jacob Keller
2015-08-26 23:03                   ` Jacob Keller
2015-08-26  4:09         ` Jacob Keller
2015-08-26  6:28           ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-26  6:33             ` Jacob Keller
2015-08-31 10:10         ` Duy Nguyen
2015-08-31 14:25           ` Barry Warsaw
2015-09-01  9:28             ` David Aguilar
2015-09-01 14:19               ` Barry Warsaw
2015-09-01 16:42                 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-09-01 17:50                   ` Barry Warsaw
2015-09-01 17:56                     ` Stefan Beller
2015-09-09  9:42                       ` Michael J Gruber
2015-09-09  9:42               ` Michael J Gruber

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