From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Felipe Contreras" Subject: Re: [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:34:08 +0300 Message-ID: <94a0d4530808280634k1c23fe10q8934875c83d4a2f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <7vr68b8q9p.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <20080827001705.GG23698@parisc-linux.org> <7v63pmkozh.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <1219907659.7107.230.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <7vtzd5fta0.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <1219912327.7107.245.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <94a0d4530808280157p230d289dlf0c85cd517541801@mail.gmail.com> <20080828115408.GA30834@hera.kernel.org> <94a0d4530808280615i2befb89cm7d6153bfceb11b19@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "David Woodhouse" , "Matthew Wilcox" , "Johannes Schindelin" , users@kernel.org, "Jeff King" , "Junio C Hamano" , git@vger.kernel.org To: "Al Viro" X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Thu Aug 28 15:38:37 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYhfB-0004Ki-Ma for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:35:50 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752986AbYH1Nem (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:34:42 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752933AbYH1Nel (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:34:41 -0400 Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com ([209.85.198.238]:47765 "EHLO rv-out-0506.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752636AbYH1Nel (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:34:41 -0400 Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so401636rvb.1 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:34:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=XjjmdcHLcBYpk7eBvd/zXl9HAleJPYZq/WlJxBVhaJg=; b=Lj4HOxQNyWZJzwHMxEnblNjEyuag8jAAY/a1tev8CramOMXkdp9NAqJnVUIo7DhS9j AKXd7cfzsygg+zAH5AlSK53/qnwH0Ax65m8FDkR/ovyw+P/Xo4X6WM+C83au/CCntaFx WCAjCd7e5aRBmIV5QEwP62dsCdAcOKeEl5fLg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=fWyay3J6mQvixIFjgpzblhgfa2hjlJb4lutBaCMqCmRReUydIKtQ0/NEAB6FCZR6hP 7O5rcv8qzM6wYXHVMkzQ79rUTI9hXhAV+afuZxPBQzgiXR9j6wJ++B7rCcDF1dlXSSN4 T0vUg2b/9dboS5IOmLrJ0H0h2d477HhCRcRNc= Received: by 10.141.53.4 with SMTP id f4mr733582rvk.82.1219930448230; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.166.19 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:34:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <94a0d4530808280615i2befb89cm7d6153bfceb11b19@mail.gmail.com> Content-Disposition: inline Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Al Viro wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:57:56AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >>> The masses should forget about the git-foo form. If you push people >>> into using git-foo then you are not following git guidelines; you >>> would be pushing your own agenda. >> >> Egads... For sarcasm it's far too heavy-handed and if that's for real... >> What's next, verbal diarrhea about Diluting the Message(tm)? > > Sorry, I guess I should have made it clearer. > > I haven't made my mind about git-foo vs "git foo", but a decision has > been made to deprecate git-foo, and allow it as an option for the > people that really want to use it, right? > > So there must have been a reason to deprecate git-foo, if people keep > using git-foo, and distributions keep allowing it, what's the point of > deprecation? It's ok if they keep that usage to themselves, like > 'alias ll = ls -l', but it's not something to assume everybody uses. > > So either we take back the decision and keep discussing if it's a good > idea to deprecate git-foo, or we go forward and discourage git-foo > completely. > > Anything in the middle would just confuse people more, and wouldn't > achieve the purpose of deprecation. > > If some script is relying on git-foo, and it has been deprecated, it > should be fixed. Actually, now I think I understand the point of David Woodhouse better. If the git-foo was supposed to be deprecated in 1.6.0, it should still work by default, but something to strongly discourage it like a warning should have been added. When it becomes truly obsolete, then people can rely on git exec-dir, which will be disabled by default. So is it deprecated or obsolete? -- Felipe Contreras