From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Thomas Rast Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Move sequencer to builtin Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:53:32 +0200 Message-ID: <87wqq39nmr.fsf@hexa.v.cablecom.net> References: <1370643409-3431-3-git-send-email-felipe.contreras@gmail.com> <20130608164902.GA3109@elie.Belkin> <20130608173447.GA4381@elie.Belkin> <20130609014049.GA10375@google.com> <20130609052624.GB561@sigill.intra.peff.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: Jeff King , Jonathan Nieder , "Duy Nguyen" , Git Mailing List , "Junio C Hamano" , Brandon Casey , "Ramkumar Ramachandra" To: Felipe Contreras X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Sun Jun 09 19:53:53 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UljoO-0004LW-LW for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 19:53:53 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751363Ab3FIRxg (ORCPT ); Sun, 9 Jun 2013 13:53:36 -0400 Received: from edge10.ethz.ch ([82.130.75.186]:7557 "EHLO edge10.ethz.ch" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751088Ab3FIRxf (ORCPT ); Sun, 9 Jun 2013 13:53:35 -0400 Received: from CAS12.d.ethz.ch (172.31.38.212) by edge10.ethz.ch (82.130.75.186) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.298.4; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:53:27 +0200 Received: from hexa.v.cablecom.net.ethz.ch (46.126.8.85) by CAS12.d.ethz.ch (172.31.38.212) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.298.4; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:53:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Felipe Contreras's message of "Sun, 9 Jun 2013 07:15:45 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (gnu/linux) X-Originating-IP: [46.126.8.85] Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Felipe Contreras writes: > On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Jeff King wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 08, 2013 at 09:17:56PM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >>> > Definitely, yes. Even if you look at the impact on code alone and >>> > don't care about the people, destroying a collegial work environment >>> > is harmful enough to the code to outweigh the (admittedly often >>> > useful) patches. >>> >>> A collegial work environment is overrated, and proof of that the Linux >>> kernel, where honest and straight talk is the bread and butter of the >>> mailing list. And the Linux kernel is the most successful software >>> project in history by far. It's code that speaks. >> >> Sorry, but I don't agree, and I want to publicly state my opinion so >> that Jonathan (and other bystanders on the list) knows that he is not >> alone in his opinions. FWIW, I'll add my voice here. In addition to what has been said by Jeff and Jonathan already (and with which I agree), I would like to point out one observation about your style of discussion that I find particularly unproductive. You have a tendency, when facing arguments by someone who does not agree with you, of picking out one (usually minor) point of their statement and attacking just *that* on grounds that are usually much harder to argue, without regard for the bigger issue. In effect you are attempting to shift a significant burden of proof back to the other party. Case in point: >> I have consistently found your demeanor on the list to be very >> unfriendly and difficult to work with. It is one thing to have honest >> and straight talk, and another thing to be obstinate, unmindful of >> feedback (both with respect to technical details, as well as to >> communication styles), and disrespectful of other people. > > Go back to my 261 commits, show me one that is "unmindful of technical details". -- Thomas Rast trast@{inf,student}.ethz.ch