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From: Sergey Organov <sorganov@gmail.com>
To: Alex Henrie <alexhenrie24@gmail.com>
Cc: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>, "Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"Philip Oakley" <philipoakley@iee.email>,
	"Elijah Newren" <newren@gmail.com>,
	"Felipe Contreras" <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Git mailing list" <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] diff-merges: let -m imply -p
Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 23:27:14 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v97pnhi5.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMMLpeR0eeM1droa3sxeToxw+8ACtJM3+3=SkWR9qrWbK_9sDQ@mail.gmail.com> (Alex Henrie's message of "Tue, 11 May 2021 13:53:22 -0600")

Alex Henrie <alexhenrie24@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 12:46 PM Sergey Organov <sorganov@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Alex Henrie <alexhenrie24@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 8:03 AM Sergey Organov <sorganov@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:
>> >>
>> >> > Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:
>> >>
>> >> [...]
>> >>
>> >> > If we enable "some kind of diff" for "-m", I actually think that by
>> >> > default "git log -m" should be turned into "log --cc".  As you told
>> >> > Alex in your response, "log -m -p" is a quite unpleasant format to
>> >> > read---it is there only because it was the only thing we had before
>> >> > we invented "-c/--cc".
>> >>
>> >> Please, no! --cc has unfortunate feature of outputting exactly nothing
>> >> for a lot of merge commits, causing even more confusion than historical
>> >> "-m -p" format.
>> >>
>> >> The best default for -m output is --diff-merges=first-parent. Everybody
>> >> is familiar with it, and it's useful.
>> >>
>> >> > But that might be outside the scope of this series.  I dunno, but if
>> >> > there is no other constraints (like backward compatibility issues),
>> >> > I have a moderately strong preference to use "--cc" over "-m -p"
>> >> > from the get go for unconfigured people, rather than forcing
>> >> > everybody to configure
>> >>
>> >> I rather have strong preference for --diff-merges=first-parent. --cc is
>> >> only suitable for Git experts, and they know how to get what they want
>> >> anyway. Yep, by using --cc. Why spare yet another short option for that?
>> >>
>> >> Overall, let's rather make -m give diff to the first parent by default.
>> >> Simple. Useful. Not confusing.
>> >
>> > Honestly --diff-merges=separate is fine. Two weeks ago, when I started
>> > this discussion, I was trying to use `git log -m` and `git show -m` to
>> > find which merge commit introduced a particular change. Extremely
>> > verbose diff output would have been great for that, the confusing part
>> > was just that `git show -m` produced diff output and `git log -m` did
>> > not.
>>
>> This is not a case in favor of "separate" over "first-parent" as the
>> default for "-m", right?
>>
>> "Which merge commit introduced particular change" is exactly what
>> --diff-merges=1 achieves, so "--diff-merges=separate" was not in fact
>> needed, as I see it. Moreover, it could have produced wrong positives.
>> Looks like --diff-merges=1 is a better fit.
>
> I didn't know which branch the change came from. If the change came
> from the first branch, it would not have appeared under the merge
> commit with --diff-merges=first-parent.

The change in question either came from this merge, or it didn't. If it
came from this merge, it will be there in --diff-merges=first-parent
even if you have octopus merge and multiple parents, in which case it
will be cumulative change from all the side parents.

> But the change would definitely appear with --diff-merges=separate,
> which enabled me to identify the merge commit that included it.

The second part of --diff-merges=separate, that is absent in
--diff-merges=first-parent, shows the diff that this merge would have
made to the side branch, if you had considered the result of merge the
tip of that branch, and you didn't. This second part just makes no sense
at all when you care about changes to your files in any typical git
workflow, as far as I can tell.

> So yes, this is a case in favor of "separate" over "first-parent", but
> it's probably not a common enough scenario to demand keeping
> "separate" for -m.

To me it looks like it rather only shows how deeply confusing
--diff-merges=separate actually is. I'd just kill it.


Thanks,

-- Sergey Organov

  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-11 20:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-29  1:44 Why doesn't `git log -m` imply `-p`? Alex Henrie
2021-04-29  3:22 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-29 12:38   ` Sergey Organov
2021-04-29 15:25     ` Alex Henrie
2021-04-29 16:35       ` Sergey Organov
2021-04-29 17:24         ` Alex Henrie
2021-04-29 19:07           ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-04 20:09       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-04 20:34         ` Sergey Organov
2021-04-29 23:27     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-30  4:50       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-30 14:00         ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-01  0:41           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-03 17:42             ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-04  1:15               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-04  9:10                 ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-04 12:38                   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-04 14:18                     ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-05  0:20                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-05 13:43                         ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-06  0:27                           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-06 12:59                             ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-06 20:29                               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-06 20:48                                 ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-07  1:31                                   ` Alex Henrie
2021-05-10 12:11 ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-10 16:56   ` Alex Henrie
2021-05-10 15:34 ` [PATCH 0/6] diff-merges: let -m imply -p Sergey Organov
2021-05-10 15:34   ` [PATCH 1/6] t4013: add test for "git diff-index -m" Sergey Organov
2021-05-10 15:34   ` [PATCH 2/6] diff-merges: move specific diff-index "-m" handling to diff-index Sergey Organov
2021-05-11  4:09     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-11  5:23       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-11  5:41         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-11 13:43       ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-10 15:34   ` [PATCH 3/6] git-svn: stop passing "-m" to "git rev-list" Sergey Organov
2021-05-10 15:34   ` [PATCH 4/6] stash list: stop passing "-m" to "git list" Sergey Organov
2021-05-10 15:34   ` [PATCH 5/6] diff-merges: rename "combined_imply_patch" to "merges_imply_patch" Sergey Organov
2021-05-10 15:34   ` [PATCH 6/6] diff-merges: let -m imply -p Sergey Organov
2021-05-11  4:14     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-11  4:56       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-11 14:03         ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-11 17:13           ` Alex Henrie
2021-05-11 18:46             ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-11 19:53               ` Alex Henrie
2021-05-11 20:27                 ` Sergey Organov [this message]
2021-05-12  1:16                   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-11 18:31           ` Elijah Newren
2021-05-11 19:00             ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-11 19:56               ` Elijah Newren
2021-05-11 20:32                 ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-11 20:43             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-11 21:38               ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-11 23:40                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-19 21:44             ` Jonathan Nieder
2021-05-20 20:39               ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-21 18:14                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-11 16:29         ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-17 12:57         ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-11 16:30       ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-19 21:48     ` Jonathan Nieder
2021-05-19 22:03       ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-19 23:32       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-20 13:14         ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-20 18:50           ` Jonathan Nieder
2021-05-20 19:38             ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-17 15:58 ` [PATCH v1 0/9] " Sergey Organov
2021-05-17 15:58   ` [PATCH v1 1/9] t4013: test that "-m" alone has no effect in "git log" Sergey Organov
2021-05-17 15:58   ` [PATCH v1 2/9] t4013: test "git -m --raw" Sergey Organov
2021-05-18  3:27     ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-05-18 12:13       ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-17 15:58   ` [PATCH v1 3/9] t4013: test "git -m --stat" Sergey Organov
2021-05-17 15:58   ` [PATCH v1 4/9] t4013: test "git diff-index -m" Sergey Organov
2021-05-17 15:58   ` [PATCH v1 5/9] diff-merges: move specific diff-index "-m" handling to diff-index Sergey Organov
2021-05-17 20:10     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-17 20:24       ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-17 20:29     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-17 21:00       ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-17 15:58   ` [PATCH v1 6/9] git-svn: stop passing "-m" to "git rev-list" Sergey Organov
2021-05-17 15:58   ` [PATCH v1 7/9] stash list: stop passing "-m" to "git list" Sergey Organov
2021-05-17 15:58   ` [PATCH v1 8/9] diff-merges: rename "combined_imply_patch" to "merges_imply_patch" Sergey Organov
2021-05-17 15:58   ` [PATCH v1 9/9] diff-merges: let "-m" imply "-p" Sergey Organov
2021-05-17 19:51   ` [PATCH v1 0/9] diff-merges: let -m imply -p Junio C Hamano
2021-05-17 20:11     ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-18  3:18   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-05-18 12:03     ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-18 12:17     ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-18 14:17   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-18 15:52     ` Sergey Organov
2021-05-19 11:45 ` [PATCH v2 " Sergey Organov
2021-05-19 11:45   ` [PATCH v2 1/9] t4013: test that "-m" alone has no effect in "git log" Sergey Organov
2021-05-19 11:45   ` [PATCH v2 2/9] t4013: test "git log -m --raw" Sergey Organov
2021-05-19 11:45   ` [PATCH v2 3/9] t4013: test "git log -m --stat" Sergey Organov
2021-05-19 11:45   ` [PATCH v2 4/9] t4013: test "git diff-index -m" Sergey Organov
2021-05-19 11:45   ` [PATCH v2 5/9] diff-merges: move specific diff-index "-m" handling to diff-index Sergey Organov
2021-05-19 11:45   ` [PATCH v2 6/9] git-svn: stop passing "-m" to "git rev-list" Sergey Organov
2021-05-19 11:45   ` [PATCH v2 7/9] stash list: stop passing "-m" to "git log" Sergey Organov
2021-05-19 11:45   ` [PATCH v2 8/9] diff-merges: rename "combined_imply_patch" to "merges_imply_patch" Sergey Organov
2021-05-19 11:45   ` [PATCH v2 9/9] diff-merges: let "-m" imply "-p" Sergey Organov
2021-05-20 21:46 ` [PATCH v3 00/10] diff-merges: let -m imply -p Sergey Organov
2021-05-20 21:46   ` [PATCH v3 01/10] t4013: test that "-m" alone has no effect in "git log" Sergey Organov
2021-05-20 21:46   ` [PATCH v3 02/10] t4013: test "git log -m --raw" Sergey Organov
2021-05-20 21:46   ` [PATCH v3 03/10] t4013: test "git log -m --stat" Sergey Organov
2021-05-20 21:46   ` [PATCH v3 04/10] t4013: test "git diff-tree -m" Sergey Organov
2021-05-20 21:46   ` [PATCH v3 05/10] t4013: test "git diff-index -m" Sergey Organov
2021-05-20 21:46   ` [PATCH v3 06/10] diff-merges: move specific diff-index "-m" handling to diff-index Sergey Organov
2021-05-20 21:47   ` [PATCH v3 07/10] git-svn: stop passing "-m" to "git rev-list" Sergey Organov
2021-05-20 21:47   ` [PATCH v3 08/10] stash list: stop passing "-m" to "git log" Sergey Organov
2021-05-20 21:47   ` [PATCH v3 09/10] diff-merges: rename "combined_imply_patch" to "merges_imply_patch" Sergey Organov
2021-05-20 21:47   ` [PATCH v3 10/10] diff-merges: let "-m" imply "-p" Sergey Organov
2021-08-05  3:16     ` Jonathan Nieder
2021-08-06  1:45       ` [PATCH] Revert 'diff-merges: let "-m" imply "-p"' Jonathan Nieder
2021-08-06 17:21         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-06 17:55           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-06 19:57             ` Jonathan Nieder
2021-08-08 17:55               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-17  9:13                 ` Sergey Organov
2021-08-17 22:10                   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-18  8:56                     ` Sergey Organov
2021-08-19 18:50                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-19 18:51                         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-20 10:24                         ` Sergey Organov
2021-08-07  1:55           ` Jonathan Nieder
2021-08-07  6:49             ` Johannes Sixt
2021-08-07 13:51               ` Jonathan Nieder
2021-08-07 17:00                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-07 18:08                   ` Jonathan Nieder
2021-08-08  0:42                     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-17  9:17                       ` Sergey Organov
2021-08-16  9:09       ` [PATCH v3 10/10] diff-merges: let "-m" imply "-p" Sergey Organov

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