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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, newren@gmail.com, gitster@pobox.com,
	matheus.bernardino@usp.br, stolee@gmail.com, vdye@github.com,
	Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com>,
	Derrick Stolee <dstolee@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 14/14] advice: update message to suggest '--sparse'
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 23:58:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pmtd5tkj.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f2abc387822378e02d0b221baf9a09ac91d44d7d.1631453010.git.gitgitgadget@gmail.com>


On Sun, Sep 12 2021, Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget wrote:

> -	fprintf(stderr, _("The following pathspecs didn't match any"
> -			  " eligible path, but they do match index\n"
> -			  "entries outside the current sparse checkout:\n"));
> +	fprintf(stderr, _("The following paths and/or pathspecs matched "
> +			  "paths that exist outside of your\n"
> +			  "sparse-checkout definition, so will not be "
> +			  "updated in the index:\n"));
>  	for_each_string_list_item(item, pathspec_list)
>  		fprintf(stderr, "%s\n", item->string);

This before and after looks about as well line-wrapped...

>  	advise_if_enabled(ADVICE_UPDATE_SPARSE_PATH,
> -			  _("Disable or modify the sparsity rules if you intend"
> +			  _("Disable or modify the sparsity rules or"
> +			    " use the --sparse option if you intend"
>  			    " to update such entries."));
>  }

...but here..

>  	cat >sparse_error_header <<-EOF &&
> -	The following pathspecs didn't match any eligible path, but they do match index
> -	entries outside the current sparse checkout:
> +	The following paths and/or pathspecs matched paths that exist outside of your
> +	sparse-checkout definition, so will not be updated in the index:
>  	EOF
>  
>  	cat >sparse_hint <<-EOF &&
> -	hint: Disable or modify the sparsity rules if you intend to update such entries.
> +	hint: Disable or modify the sparsity rules or use the --sparse option if you intend to update such entries.
>  	hint: Disable this message with \"git config advice.updateSparsePath false\"
>  	EOF

...this used to line-wrap at 80 characters, but is now a bit beyond
that.

Maybe instead make these two into bullet-points?

Also the third "Disable" looks a bit jarring at first, it seems like a
continuation of the first message, but it's just the standard "disable
this message" we tend to print out.

This commentary pre-dates this commit, but just in general:

I think the advice system is best used where there's an initial
non-optional message, and then the advice elaborates on what happened,
how to fix it. A good example is the "short object ID %s is ambiguous"
in object-name.c.

But in this case both messages are rather long. I'd think better would
be something like (and I didn't look very deeply at the involved code):

    error("pathspec '%s' matched only outside sparse checkout")

I.e. in e.g. cmd_rm() we loop through the pathspecs, and we error on the
first one, so to a first approximation why do we need to for sparse emit
ALL the pathspecs we didn't match? if we're going to error out anyway
shouldn'w we just error out on the first one?

But going on, I'd think this would be better overall (pseudocode):

    error("pathspec '%s' matched only outside sparse checkout")
    if (advice_enabled(ADVICE_UPDATE_SPARSE_PATH)) {
        char *list_str;
        list_of_bad_pathspecs = make_that_list(my_pathspec_string_list, &list_str);
  
      if (list_of_bad_pathspecs.nr > 1)
            /* Emit a message that details what's wrong, but also has a
             * list of all the other pathspecs we'd also die on if the user */
      else
          /* Ditto, but no list *?

Maybe I'm missing something with the sparse implemention, but I'd think
going above & beyond and listing all failures is a bit much in either
case, i.e. for non-sparse we have:

    $ git rm 'file-i-do-not-have' 'directory-i-do-not-have/'
    fatal: pathspec 'file-i-do-not-have' did not match any files
    $

I'd think in general a user who's screwed up and typo'd both isn't going
to be much harmed by us noting the first, maybe they'll get another
error then.

But usually it's obvious (e.g. you just ran the command in the wrong
directory), so if you have a large list of pathspecs getting a firehose
of all the things that didn't match can be less helpful due to being
overrly verbose.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-12 22:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-24 21:54 [PATCH 00/13] [RFC] Sparse-checkout: modify 'git add', 'git rm', and 'git add' behavior Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 01/13] t1092: behavior for adding sparse files Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 02/13] dir: extract directory-matching logic Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 03/13] dir: select directories correctly Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24  7:44   ` René Scharfe
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 04/13] dir: fix pattern matching on dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 05/13] add: fail when adding an untracked sparse file Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:06   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-08-27 22:50     ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-09-08 17:54     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 06/13] add: skip paths that are outside sparse-checkout cone Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:13   ` Matheus Tavares
2021-09-08 19:46     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-08 20:02       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-08 21:06     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 07/13] add: implement the --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:14   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 08/13] add: prevent adding sparse conflict files Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:16   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 09/13] rm: add --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:17   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-09-08 18:04     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 10/13] rm: skip sparse paths with missing SKIP_WORKTREE Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:18   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 11/13] mv: refuse to move sparse paths Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:20   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-08-27 23:44     ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-09-08 18:41     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 12/13] mv: add '--sparse' option to ignore sparse-checkout Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-28 14:18   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 13/13] advice: update message to suggest '--sparse' Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23 ` [PATCH v2 00/14] Sparse-checkout: modify 'git add', 'git rm', and 'git add' behavior Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 01/14] t3705: test that 'sparse_entry' is unstaged Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-15  5:22     ` Elijah Newren
2021-09-15 16:17       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-15 16:32     ` Matheus Tavares
2021-09-15 16:42       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 02/14] t1092: behavior for adding sparse files Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 22:17     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-13 15:02       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 03/14] dir: extract directory-matching logic Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 04/14] dir: select directories correctly Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 22:21     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-15 14:41       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-15 14:54     ` Elijah Newren
2021-09-15 16:43       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 05/14] dir: fix pattern matching on dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 06/14] add: fail when adding an untracked sparse file Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 07/14] add: skip tracked paths outside sparse-checkout cone Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 08/14] add: implement the --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-15 16:59     ` Elijah Newren
2021-09-20 15:45       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 09/14] add: update --chmod to skip sparse paths Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 10/14] add: update --renormalize " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 11/14] rm: add --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 12/14] rm: skip sparse paths with missing SKIP_WORKTREE Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 13/14] mv: refuse to move sparse paths Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 14/14] advice: update message to suggest '--sparse' Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 21:58     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2021-09-15 16:54       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-15 20:18   ` [PATCH v2 00/14] Sparse-checkout: modify 'git add', 'git rm', and 'git add' behavior Elijah Newren
2021-09-20 17:45   ` [PATCH v3 " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 01/14] t3705: test that 'sparse_entry' is unstaged Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-22 22:52       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 02/14] t1092: behavior for adding sparse files Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-22 23:06       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-23 13:37         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 03/14] dir: extract directory-matching logic Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-22 23:13       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-23 13:39         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-23 13:42           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-23 18:23             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-24 13:29               ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 04/14] dir: select directories correctly Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 05/14] dir: fix pattern matching on dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 06/14] add: fail when adding an untracked sparse file Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 07/14] add: skip tracked paths outside sparse-checkout cone Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 08/14] add: implement the --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 09/14] add: update --chmod to skip sparse paths Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 10/14] add: update --renormalize " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 11/14] rm: add --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 12/14] rm: skip sparse paths with missing SKIP_WORKTREE Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 13/14] mv: refuse to move sparse paths Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 14/14] advice: update message to suggest '--sparse' Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24  6:08     ` [PATCH v3 00/14] Sparse-checkout: modify 'git add', 'git rm', and 'git add' behavior Elijah Newren
2021-09-24 15:39     ` [PATCH v4 00/13] Sparse-checkout: modify 'git add', 'git rm', and 'git mv' behavior Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 01/13] t3705: test that 'sparse_entry' is unstaged Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 02/13] t1092: behavior for adding sparse files Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 03/13] dir: select directories correctly Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 04/13] dir: fix pattern matching on dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-11-02  0:15         ` Glen Choo
2021-11-02  0:34           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-02 13:42             ` Derrick Stolee
2021-11-02 14:50               ` Derrick Stolee
2021-11-02 15:33                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-03 14:40                   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-11-03 17:14                     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 05/13] add: fail when adding an untracked sparse file Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 06/13] add: skip tracked paths outside sparse-checkout cone Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 07/13] add: implement the --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 08/13] add: update --chmod to skip sparse paths Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 09/13] add: update --renormalize " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 10/13] rm: add --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 11/13] rm: skip sparse paths with missing SKIP_WORKTREE Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 12/13] mv: refuse to move sparse paths Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 13/13] advice: update message to suggest '--sparse' Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-27 15:51       ` [PATCH v4 00/13] Sparse-checkout: modify 'git add', 'git rm', and 'git mv' behavior Elijah Newren
2021-09-27 20:51         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-18 21:28   ` [PATCH v2 00/14] Sparse-checkout: modify 'git add', 'git rm', and 'git add' behavior Sean Christopherson
2021-10-19 12:29     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-10-19 16:50       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-20 13:28         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-20 14:28           ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-22  2:28     ` [RFC PATCH] add|rm|mv: fix bug that prevent the update of non-sparse Matheus Tavares
2021-10-22  4:03       ` Matheus Tavares
2021-10-25 16:40       ` Derrick Stolee

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