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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com>
Cc: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Barret Rhoden <brho@google.com>, Olaf Hering <olaf@aepfle.de>
Subject: Re: How to undo previously set configuration? (again)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 13:58:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87imv2s3dz.fsf@evledraar.booking.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACsJy8DSvEPfqJVGBL=G147B-mqoXd-XDeNK7jQZLQgRftWRpQ@mail.gmail.com>


On Thu, Apr 25 2019, Duy Nguyen wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 5:08 PM Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
> <avarab@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Solving (1) without (2) feels like a bit of a missed opportunity to
>> >> me.  Ideally, what I would like is
>> >>
>> >>    i. A central registry of trustworthy Git hooks that can be upgraded
>> >>       using the system package manager to address (2).  Perhaps just
>> >>       git-hook-* commands on the $PATH.
>> >>
>> >>   ii. Instead of putting hooks in .git/hooks, put a list of hooks to
>> >>       run for each event in .git/config.
>> >
>> > The problem I had with this when discussing it was that our
>> > configuration system lacks a good way to control inheritance from outer
>> > files. I recently was working with a system-wide gitconfig file that
>> > referred to files I didn't have, and my Git installation was subtly
>> > broken in a variety of ways.
>> >
>> > If I have a system-wide hook to run for company code, but I have a
>> > checkout for my personal dotfiles on my machine where I don't want to
>> > run that hook, our configuration lacks a way for me to disable that
>> > system-wide configuration. However, using our current system, I can
>> > override core.hooksPath in this case and everything works fine.
>> >
>> > I mentioned this for completeness, and because I hope that some of those
>> > people will get some time to chime in here, but I think without that
>> > feature, we end up with a worse experience than we have now.
>>
>> I sent a proposal for this last year "How to undo previously set
>> configuration?":
>> https://public-inbox.org/git/874lkq11ug.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com/
>
> While reading that mail, it occurs to me that perhaps we can reuse the
> .gitignore idea.
>
> Instead of having a list of untracked files, we have a list of config
> keys. Instead of having .gitignore files associated to different
> directories to apply the rules to those dirs only, we have ignore
> rules that should apply on certain config files (probably based on
> path).
>
> A few differences from your reject/accept/priority example:
>
> - we don't redefine priority, inheritance rules apply the same way
> - reject/accept is handled the same way as positive/negative ignore
> rules. If we're lucky, we could even reuse the exclude code.
> - instead of special section names like
>
>     [config "section"]
>
> we have something more like
>
>     [config "/this/path"] # (or pattern)
>
> this lets us handle even other config files included by [include] or [includeIf]
>
> So, some examples
>
> [exclude]            # exclude from all inherited files
>     key = core.*     # exclude core.*
>     key = !core.bar  # but keep core.bar
>
> [excludeIf "path:/etc/config"] # rules apply for only this file
>    key = ...
>
> [excludeIf "glob:/home/*"]     # rules apply for these config paths
>    key = ...
>
> [excludeIf "system"]           # special names for convenience maybe
>    key = ...
>
>> Obviously the main bottleneck is someone like me working on patching it,
>
> Yes, manpower is always the problem.
>
>> but in this case it would be very useful if those who are interested in
>> this could look that proposal over and bikeshed it / point out issues I
>> may have missed, i.e. "no, this categorically won't work with this
>> proposed syntax due to XYZ you haven't thought of...".

Thanks, I like this syntax/proposal much better than my initial one,
especially re-using the syntax we have in .gitignore. Also in that it's
more similar to the existing include syntax, which in retrospect with an
example is the obviously better choice both in terms of UI consistency
and flexibility.

I.e. I didn't want config files by globs, because depending on compile
options the /etc/gitconfig may be in /opt/etc/gitconfig, but as your
'[excludeIf "system"]' and '[excludeIf "path:/etc/config"]' examples
show we can have our cake and eat it too, and as you demonstrate there's
other reasons to do path globs that excluding the "git config
--{system,global,local,worktree}" file doesn't cover.

Re priorities: My "I don't really have a use-case for that" in 2018 is
still 95% true, just a couple of things:

 1. Having it would be a really nice smoke test for this working
    properly, i.e. now all the config parsing is "streamed" to its
    consumers via callbacks, having priorities would require the ability
    to pre-buffer and re-arrange it, the "pre-buffer" you'd need for any
    exclude mechanism anyway.

    Once we have that "priorities" should just be a quick sort of what
    order we loop over the files in.

 2. There is the use-case of "I don't want to exclude core.* from config
    file <A>, I just want file <B> to override it". I can imagine
    especially if/when we have in-repo .gitconfig that you'd want to
    trust say core.* from there, but have you ~/.gitconfig override it
    if you've bothered to set any of them yourself.

    But I think most of that use-case doesn't need priorities. It could
    just be another "exclude" syntax for common cases, e.g.:

        # ...Having done something else previously to opt-in to scary
        # in-repo .gitconfig...
        [excludeIf "repo"]
        key = core.* # exclude core.*
        [excludeIf "repo"]
        existingKey = true # exclude any existing key

    So e.g. you'd keep that .gitconfig's gc.bigPackThreshold or
    whatever, unless your ~/.gitconfig (parsed before, lower priority)
    had already set it.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-25 11:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-24  0:49 [PATCH 0/5] Multiple hook support brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  0:49 ` [PATCH 1/5] run-command: add preliminary support for multiple hooks brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  2:27   ` Junio C Hamano
2019-04-24 18:48     ` Johannes Sixt
2019-04-25  0:55       ` Junio C Hamano
2019-04-25  9:39         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-25 10:04           ` Junio C Hamano
2019-04-25 19:40         ` Johannes Sixt
2019-04-26 20:58           ` brian m. carlson
2019-04-26 21:53             ` Johannes Sixt
2019-04-24 22:32     ` brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  0:49 ` [PATCH 2/5] builtin/receive-pack: add " brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  0:49 ` [PATCH 3/5] sequencer: " brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  9:51   ` Phillip Wood
2019-04-24 22:46     ` brian m. carlson
2019-04-25 14:59       ` Phillip Wood
2019-04-24  0:49 ` [PATCH 4/5] builtin/worktree: add support for multiple post-checkout hooks brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  0:49 ` [PATCH 5/5] transport: add support for multiple pre-push hooks brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  2:09 ` [PATCH 0/5] Multiple hook support Junio C Hamano
2019-04-24  2:22   ` brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  2:41     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-04-24  8:14     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-24  2:34 ` Jonathan Nieder
2019-04-24  7:43   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-24  8:22   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-24 23:07   ` brian m. carlson
2019-04-24 23:26     ` Jonathan Nieder
2019-04-25 10:08     ` How to undo previously set configuration? (again) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-25 10:43       ` Duy Nguyen
2019-04-25 11:58         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2019-04-26 15:18           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-25 14:36       ` Jonathan Nieder
2019-04-25 14:43         ` Barret Rhoden
2019-04-25 15:27           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-25 15:25         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-26  2:13         ` Junio C Hamano
2019-04-26  9:36         ` Duy Nguyen
2019-04-30 21:14           ` Jeff King
2019-05-01 11:41             ` Duy Nguyen
2019-05-01 12:18               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-05-01 12:32                 ` Duy Nguyen
2019-05-01 21:09                   ` Jeff King
2019-05-01 21:15                 ` Jeff King
2019-04-24  8:10 ` [PATCH 0/5] Multiple hook support Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-24  9:55   ` Phillip Wood
2019-04-24 18:29   ` Bryan Turner
2019-04-24  9:49 ` Duy Nguyen
2019-04-24 22:49   ` brian m. carlson
2019-04-24 23:40   ` brian m. carlson
2019-04-25  0:08     ` Duy Nguyen
2019-04-30 21:39 ` Jeff King

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