From: Sergey Organov <sorganov@gmail.com>
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Cc: Martin <git@mfriebe.de>, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: What actually is a branch?
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2021 14:16:49 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87im1l3vj2.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <60e66d28c0cb3_306ac120813@natae.notmuch> (Felipe Contreras's message of "Wed, 07 Jul 2021 22:12:40 -0500")
Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> writes:
> Sergey Organov wrote:
>> Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Since this is not strictly related to the topic of `git switch` I
>> > renamed the thread.
>> >
>> > Sergey Organov wrote:
>> >> Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> > Sergey Organov wrote:
[...]
>> >> As for branch tail, I do have convention of marking start of a
>> >> long-standing branch with corresponding tag, where branch "foo" has
>> >> corresponding "foo-bp" tag marking its "branch point". Recently I
>> >> started to mark start of feature branch with yet another branch "foo-bp"
>> >> rather than tag, "foo" being set to track "foo-bp", that allows to
>> >> automate rebasing of "foo" against correct base.
>> >
>> > So foo-bp is the upstream of foo, and you do basically:
>> >
>> > git rebase foo@{upstream}
>>
>> Yep, but essential feature to me is that I in fact use tools that simply
>> run bare
>>
>> git rebase
>>
>> and that "just works" (tm).
>
> I typed the revision explicitly, but `git rebase` would work just
> fine.
Sorry, I don't follow. Did you change semantic of `git rebase`? With
current mainstream Git, as far as I can tell,
git rebase
essentially is:
git rebase --fork-point @{upstream}
How introduction of @{tail} changes this, exactly?
>
>> > This is works if your base (or tail, or whatever) is static, but many
>> > branches jump around, and that's where @{tail} comes in handy.
>>
>> Yeah, I see. When I need to make a branch jump around, I do need to
>> manually move my references, but that's fortunately very rare use-case
>> for me. Having direct support for that is still a win.
>>
>> >
>> > You can do this:
>> >
>> > git rebase --onto foo@{upstream} foo@{tail}
>> >
>> > This will always rebase the right commits (no need to look into the
>> > reflog). So you can say that the branch is foo@{tail}..foo.
>>
>> I see where and when it's useful, but for a feature branch 99% of times
>> I don't want to rebase it onto some true upstream. I rather want to just
>> fiddle with the branch in place, and I prefer to setup things the way
>> that ensures that bare "git rebase" does "the right thing".
>
> But that's precisely the point: when you do `git rebase` you don't have
> to type the base or --onto anymore. It's done automatically.
>
> Not just for your long-standing branches, but for *any* branch.
>
>> Probably that could be solved by a branch-local configuration that makes
>> "git rebase" become "git rebase @{tail}" for the branch instead of "git
>> rebase @{upstream}"
>
> No. @{upstream} is where you want to rebase *to*, @{tail} is where you
> want to rebase *from*.
My point is that for feature branch I rather want to rebase from @{tail}
to @{tail} 99% of times.
>
> When you do:
>
> git rebase foo@{upstream}
>
> This is basically the same as:
>
> git checkout foo@{upstream}^0
> git cherry-pick --right-only foo@{upstream}...foo
Yes, but you probably meant foo@{upstream}..foo (2 dots, not 3) here.
> git is smart enough to figure out what commits are already part of
> foo@{upstream}, and those are skipped, but at no point was any "base"
> calculated (at least not from `git rebase`).
>
> Most of the time `git rebase` works fine, because there aren't too many
> commits to figure out where they should go, but it's definitely not
> efficient, and there's many corner-cases (see a Linux kernel maintaner
> baffled by what the hell `git rebase` is doing [1]).
Once again, how exactly the foo@{tail} fits in this picture?
>
>> > Another advantage of having this notion is that `git rebase`
>> > automatically updates the tail (in this case to foo@{upstream}).
>>
>> Yep, looks useful. Is it all local to given repo, or else?
>
> I implented it as 'refs/tails' (as opposed to 'refs/heads'), so it's
> local to a given repo, but could easily be exported.
Do I get it right that now `git switch br1; git rebase --onto br2` will
likely have different outcome in the repository where "br1" has been
created compared to any other repository, as "br1@{tail}" will only
exist in that exact repo?
Thanks,
--
Sergey Organov
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-07-08 11:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-06-29 15:28 PATCH: improve git switch documentation Martin
2021-06-29 16:35 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-29 19:04 ` Martin
2021-06-29 22:39 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-30 8:50 ` Martin
2021-06-30 22:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-07-01 10:06 ` Martin
2021-07-01 11:27 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-07 18:34 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-07 20:46 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-07 21:25 ` What actually is a branch? Felipe Contreras
2021-07-07 22:07 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-07 22:35 ` Martin
2021-07-08 3:39 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-08 10:15 ` Martin
2021-07-08 17:33 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-08 19:21 ` Martin
2021-07-08 20:37 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-08 23:11 ` Martin
2021-07-09 0:45 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 13:24 ` Martin
2021-07-09 15:08 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 15:23 ` switch requires --detach [[Re: What actually is a branch]] Martin
2021-07-09 16:21 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 16:38 ` Randall S. Becker
2021-07-09 17:10 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 16:54 ` Martin
2021-07-10 10:08 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-10 19:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 14:29 ` PATCH: improve git switch documentation Martin
2021-07-09 16:10 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 16:51 ` Martin
2021-07-09 17:41 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 18:23 ` Martin
2021-07-10 19:45 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 20:07 ` Martin
2021-07-10 20:49 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 22:13 ` Martin
2021-07-10 23:35 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-11 9:10 ` Martin
2021-07-11 9:30 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-12 16:28 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-12 16:33 ` Martin
2021-07-12 16:58 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-12 17:52 ` Martin
2021-07-12 19:08 ` Felipe Contreras
[not found] ` <3a84e4c9-4e48-1cbe-4fe6-150ff56c8508@mfriebe.de>
[not found] ` <60ecbe577a086_a6b702082@natae.notmuch>
2021-07-13 10:42 ` Martin
2021-07-13 16:02 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-16 18:12 ` Martin
2021-07-16 18:31 ` Martin
2021-07-16 18:56 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-17 7:02 ` Martin
[not found] ` <1997ca3b-117a-e19a-0dee-7342a2f1a0e7@mfriebe.de>
[not found] ` <60f1f4c3dd8b1_14cb208c1@natae.notmuch>
[not found] ` <fedbfe1f-9e6d-f46f-ca41-e176a30e938c@mfriebe.de>
[not found] ` <60f22aaa6a4f1_1f602081b@natae.notmuch>
2021-07-17 10:07 ` Martin
[not found] ` <60f33f8a7c39b_507220823@natae.notmuch>
2021-07-17 21:23 ` Martin
2021-07-19 17:51 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-11 7:57 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-11 9:27 ` Martin
2021-07-11 9:37 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-11 10:24 ` Martin
2021-07-12 16:34 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 22:13 ` Naming the --forec option [[Re: PATCH: improve git switch documentation]] Martin
2021-07-10 23:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-11 0:39 ` Martin
2021-07-12 16:15 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 10:24 ` PATCH: improve git switch documentation Sergey Organov
2021-07-10 10:37 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-07-10 11:05 ` Martin
2021-07-10 16:32 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-10 20:12 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-11 9:04 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-11 10:05 ` Martin
2021-07-11 12:23 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-11 13:39 ` Martin
2021-07-11 14:49 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-11 16:51 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-12 10:31 ` Kerry, Richard
2021-07-12 11:11 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-12 16:55 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-12 16:24 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-12 16:39 ` Martin
2021-07-12 17:09 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-12 22:58 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-12 23:36 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-13 11:20 ` Martin
2021-07-10 20:00 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 19:51 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-11 9:52 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-12 16:44 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-13 10:57 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-13 16:10 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-14 19:14 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-14 19:51 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-14 20:42 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-08 3:12 ` What actually is a branch? Felipe Contreras
2021-07-08 11:16 ` Sergey Organov [this message]
2021-07-08 18:05 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-01 14:58 ` PATCH: improve git switch documentation Junio C Hamano
2021-07-01 17:29 ` Martin
2021-07-01 17:46 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-07 18:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-07 18:47 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-07 18:14 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-01 0:06 ` Matt Rogers
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