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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>,
	Git List <git@vger.kernel.org>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	Johannes Schindelin <johannes.schindelin@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] config doc: unify the description of fsck.* and receive.fsck.*
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 09:20:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fu289tph.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqr2ltetcy.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com>


On Wed, May 30 2018, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> If the project has some tool constraints and have to accept new
>>> "broken" objects on ongoing basis, then fsck.<msg-id> facility may
>>> make sense, but that is probably a very narrow special use case.
>>
>> That makes sense. I'll reword this bit.
>> ...
>> I'll try to clarify this, but I think we really should have some bit
>> there about historical tools. Realistically no new git tools produce
>> these, so the user needs to be made aware of what the trade-off of
>> turning these on is.
>>
>> The reality of that is that these objects are exceedingly rare, and
>> mostly found in various old repositories. Something like that need to
>> be mentioned so the user can weigh the trade-off of turning this on.
>
> Rare or not, once we say "avoid fsck.<msg-id> unless you have a good
> reason not to", wouldn't that be sufficient?

It's our documentation that should be clearly stating those reasons. If
we're not saying anything about these being historical bugs, then e.g. I
(not knowing the implementation) wouldn't have turned this on globally
on my site knowing that because I have none of these now I'm *very*
unlikely to have them in the future.

That's different from something that just happens rarely, because a rare
non-historical event can be expected to happen in the future.

> Between "fsck.<msg-id> makes sense only when you use these rare and
> you-probably-never-heard-of tools ongoing basis" and "when you
> already have (slightly)broken objects, naming each of them in
> skiplist, rather than covering the class, is better because you want
> *new* instances of the same breakage", I'd imagine the latter would be
> more helpful.
>
> In any case, let's see if there are more input to this topic and
> then wrap it up in v3 ;-)
>
> Thanks.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-05-31  7:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-24 15:25 BUG: No way to set fsck.<msg-id> when cloning Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-24 15:58 ` Kevin Daudt
2018-05-24 17:04   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-24 19:02     ` Jeff King
2018-05-24 19:35       ` [PATCH 0/4] fsck: doc fixes & fetch.fsck.* implementation Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-25 19:28         ` [PATCH v2 0/5] " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-27 14:37           ` [PATCH v3 00/10] " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-30 22:13             ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-07-27 14:37           ` [PATCH v3 01/10] receive.fsck.<msg-id> tests: remove dead code Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-27 19:11             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-27 19:45               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-27 22:19                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-27 14:37           ` [PATCH v3 02/10] config doc: don't describe *.fetchObjects twice Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-27 19:19             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-27 14:37           ` [PATCH v3 03/10] config doc: unify the description of fsck.* and receive.fsck.* Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-27 19:29             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-27 14:37           ` [PATCH v3 04/10] config doc: elaborate on what transfer.fsckObjects does Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-27 19:41             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-27 14:37           ` [PATCH v3 05/10] config doc: elaborate on fetch.fsckObjects security Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-27 19:45             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-28 14:09               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-27 14:37           ` [PATCH v3 06/10] transfer.fsckObjects tests: untangle confusing setup Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-27 14:37           ` [PATCH v3 07/10] fetch: implement fetch.fsck.* Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-27 20:18             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-27 21:08             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-30 14:58             ` Duy Nguyen
2018-07-30 15:06               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-27 14:37           ` [PATCH v3 08/10] fsck: test & document {fetch,receive}.fsck.* config fallback Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-27 21:28             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-27 14:37           ` [PATCH v3 09/10] fsck: add stress tests for fsck.skipList Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-27 14:37           ` [PATCH v3 10/10] fsck: test and document unknown fsck.<msg-id> values Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-27 19:50             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-27 21:43             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-28 13:55               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-30 14:47                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-25 19:28         ` [PATCH v2 1/5] config doc: don't describe *.fetchObjects twice Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-25 21:07           ` Eric Sunshine
2018-05-25 19:28         ` [PATCH v2 2/5] config doc: unify the description of fsck.* and receive.fsck.* Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-25 21:16           ` Eric Sunshine
2018-05-28  9:45             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-28 16:44               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-30  3:05                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-30  3:39                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-31  7:20                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2018-06-01  0:11                     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-25 19:28         ` [PATCH v2 3/5] config doc: elaborate on what transfer.fsckObjects does Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-25 21:19           ` Eric Sunshine
2018-05-25 19:28         ` [PATCH v2 4/5] config doc: mention future aspirations for transfer.fsckObjects Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-25 20:33           ` Christian Couder
2018-05-25 19:28         ` [PATCH v2 5/5] fetch: implement fetch.fsck.* Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-30  3:47           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-31  7:23             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-28  9:48         ` [PATCH 0/4] fsck: doc fixes & fetch.fsck.* implementation Junio C Hamano
2018-05-24 19:35       ` [PATCH 1/4] config doc: don't describe *.fetchObjects twice Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-25  3:18         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-24 19:35       ` [PATCH 2/4] config doc: unify the description of fsck.* and receive.fsck.* Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-24 19:53         ` Eric Sunshine
2018-05-24 20:12           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-24 22:49             ` Eric Sunshine
2018-05-25  2:07               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-24 19:35       ` [PATCH 3/4] config doc: elaborate on what transfer.fsckObjects does Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-24 20:15         ` Eric Sunshine
2018-05-25  3:22           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-31  7:32             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-24 19:35       ` [PATCH 4/4] fetch: implement fetch.fsck.* Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-25  4:09         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-24 17:04 ` BUG: No way to set fsck.<msg-id> when cloning Jeff King
2018-05-24 20:48 ` Thomas Braun
2018-05-25  7:36   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

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