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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy" <pclouds@gmail.com>,
	"Michael Haggerty" <mhagger@alum.mit.edu>,
	"Stefan Beller" <stefanbeller@gmail.com>,
	"Jonathan Nieder" <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	"Matt McCutchen" <matt@mattmccutchen.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] gc docs: modernize and fix the documentation
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 23:45:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ftrjer8s.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190318215107.GH29661@sigill.intra.peff.net>


On Mon, Mar 18 2019, Jeff King wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 05:14:58PM +0100, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
>
>> This series is unrelated (and does not conflict with) my in-flight gc
>> contention series
>> (https://public-inbox.org/git/20190315155959.12390-1-avarab@gmail.com/),
>> but the "git-gc" docs should be updated to discuss the
>> core.filesRefLockTimeout option and how it impacts contention, see 8/8
>> in that series for context. I.e. "you may have contention, but
>> core.filesRefLockTimeout can mitigate blah blah".
>>
>> I was going to do that, but then thought that we should also mention
>> that on the server-side we mitigate most/all of the contention via the
>> quarantine, see "QUARANTINE ENVIRONMENT" in
>> git-receive-pack(1). I.e. we:
>>
>>  1. Get the temp pack
>>  2. OK it (fsck, hooks etc.)
>>  3. Move *complete* previously temp packs over
>>  4. Update the refs
>>
>> I.e. we are immune from the "concurrently with another process" race,
>> but of course something concurrently updating the "server" repo
>> without a quarantine environment may be subject to that race.
>>
>> The only problem is that the last couple of paragraphs may be
>> wrong. That's just my understanding from a brief reading of
>> 722ff7f876c ("receive-pack: quarantine objects until pre-receive
>> accepts", 2016-10-03) so I didn't want to include that in this
>> series. Peff (or others), any comments?
>
> I don't think the quarantine stuff should impact contention at all. It's
> only quarantining the objects, which are the least contentious part of
> Git (because object content is idempotent, so we don't do any locking
> there, and with two racing processes, one will just "win").

Without the quarantine, isn't there the race that the NOTES section
talks about (unless I've misread it).

I.e. we have some loose object "ABCD" not referrred to by anything for
the last 2 weeks, as we're gc-ing a ref update comes in that makes it
referenced again. We then delete "ABCD" (not used!) at the same time the
ref update happens, and get corruption.

Whereas the quarantine might work around since the client will have sent
ABCD with no reference pointing to it to the server in the temp pack,
which we then rename in-place and then update the ref, so we don't care
if "ABCD" goes away.

Unless that interacts racily with the receive.unpackLimit, but then I
have no idea that section is trying to say...

Also, surely the part where "NOTES" says something to the effect of "you
are subject to races unless gc.auto=0" is wrong. To the extent that
there's races it won't matter that you invoke "git gc" or "git gc
--auto", it's the concurrency that matters. So if there's still races we
should be saying the repo needs to be locked for writes for the duration
of the "gc".

  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-18 22:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-18 16:14 [PATCH 0/4] gc docs: modernize and fix the documentation Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-18 16:14 ` [PATCH 1/4] gc docs: modernize the advice for manually running "gc" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-18 21:27   ` Jeff King
2019-03-18 22:18     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-18 16:15 ` [PATCH 2/4] gc docs: include the "gc.*" section from "config" in "gc" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-18 21:31   ` Jeff King
2019-03-21 22:11     ` Andreas Heiduk
2019-03-19  2:08   ` Duy Nguyen
2019-03-18 16:15 ` [PATCH 3/4] gc docs: de-duplicate "OPTIONS" and "CONFIGURATION" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-18 21:49   ` Jeff King
2019-03-18 22:48     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-18 23:42       ` Jeff King
2019-03-18 16:15 ` [PATCH 4/4] gc docs: downplay the usefulness of --aggressive Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-18 20:28   ` Jonathan Nieder
2019-03-18 21:22     ` Jeff King
2019-03-18 22:13       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-18 23:53         ` Jeff King
2019-03-19  6:54   ` Johannes Sixt
2019-03-19  9:28     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-18 21:51 ` [PATCH 0/4] gc docs: modernize and fix the documentation Jeff King
2019-03-18 22:45   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2019-03-19  0:18     ` Jeff King
2019-05-06  9:44       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-05-07  7:51         ` Jeff King
2019-05-09 23:20           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-07-31  4:26             ` Jeff King
2019-07-31 10:12               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-21 20:50 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22  9:32   ` [PATCH v3 00/11] gc docs: modernize the advice for manually running "gc" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22  9:32   ` [PATCH v3 01/11] " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22  9:32   ` [PATCH v3 02/11] gc docs: stop noting "repack" flags Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22  9:32   ` [PATCH v3 03/11] gc docs: clean grammar for "gc.bigPackThreshold" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22  9:32   ` [PATCH v3 04/11] gc docs: include the "gc.*" section from "config" in "gc" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-30 18:04     ` Todd Zullinger
2019-04-07 19:52     ` [PATCH v4 00/11] gc docs: modernize and fix the documentation Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-07 19:52     ` [PATCH v4 01/11] gc docs: modernize the advice for manually running "gc" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-07 19:52     ` [PATCH v4 02/11] gc docs: stop noting "repack" flags Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-07 19:52     ` [PATCH v4 03/11] gc docs: clean grammar for "gc.bigPackThreshold" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-07 19:52     ` [PATCH v4 04/11] gc docs: include the "gc.*" section from "config" in "gc" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-07 19:52     ` [PATCH v4 05/11] gc docs: re-flow the "gc.*" section in "config" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-07 19:52     ` [PATCH v4 06/11] gc docs: fix formatting for "gc.writeCommitGraph" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-07 19:52     ` [PATCH v4 07/11] gc docs: note how --aggressive impacts --window & --depth Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-07 19:52     ` [PATCH v4 08/11] gc docs: downplay the usefulness of --aggressive Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-07 19:52     ` [PATCH v4 09/11] gc docs: note "gc --aggressive" in "fast-import" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-07 19:52     ` [PATCH v4 10/11] gc docs: clarify that "gc" doesn't throw away referenced objects Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-07 19:52     ` [PATCH v4 11/11] gc docs: remove incorrect reference to gc.auto=0 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22  9:32   ` [PATCH v3 05/11] gc docs: re-flow the "gc.*" section in "config" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22  9:32   ` [PATCH v3 06/11] gc docs: fix formatting for "gc.writeCommitGraph" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22  9:32   ` [PATCH v3 07/11] gc docs: note how --aggressive impacts --window & --depth Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22  9:32   ` [PATCH v3 08/11] gc docs: downplay the usefulness of --aggressive Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22  9:32   ` [PATCH v3 09/11] gc docs: note "gc --aggressive" in "fast-import" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22  9:32   ` [PATCH v3 10/11] gc docs: clarify that "gc" doesn't throw away referenced objects Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22  9:32   ` [PATCH v3 11/11] gc docs: remove incorrect reference to gc.auto=0 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-21 20:50 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] gc docs: modernize the advice for manually running "gc" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22  6:01   ` Junio C Hamano
2019-03-21 20:50 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] gc docs: stop noting "repack" flags Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-21 20:50 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] gc docs: clean grammar for "gc.bigPackThreshold" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-21 20:50 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] gc docs: include the "gc.*" section from "config" in "gc" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-21 20:50 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] gc docs: re-flow the "gc.*" section in "config" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-21 20:50 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] gc docs: note how --aggressive impacts --window & --depth Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-21 20:50 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] gc docs: downplay the usefulness of --aggressive Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-21 20:50 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] gc docs: note "gc --aggressive" in "fast-import" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-21 20:50 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] gc docs: clarify that "gc" doesn't throw away referenced objects Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-21 20:50 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] gc docs: remove incorrect reference to gc.auto=0 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

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