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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
Cc: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Barret Rhoden <brho@google.com>, Olaf Hering <olaf@aepfle.de>
Subject: Re: How to undo previously set configuration? (again)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 17:25:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ef5qrtt4.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190425143614.GA91608@google.com>


On Thu, Apr 25 2019, Jonathan Nieder wrote:

> Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
>
>> Because we don't have some general config facility for this it keeps
>> coming up, and various existing/proposed options have their own little
>> custom hacks for doing it, e.g. this for Barret Rhoden's proposed "blame
>> skip commits" feature
>> https://public-inbox.org/git/878swhfzxb.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com/
>> (b.t.w. I *meant* /dev/null in that E-Mail, but due to PEBCAK wrote
>> /dev/zero).
>
> I'm confused.  Isn't that bog-standard Git usage, not a custom hack?
> That is, I thought the intended behavior is always
>
>  1. For single-valued options, last value wins.
>  2. For multi-valued options, empty clears the list.
>  3. When there is a special behavior triggered by not supplying the
>     option at all, offer an explicit value like "default" that triggers
>     the same behavior, too.
>
> and that any instance of a command that isn't following that is a bug.
>
> Which of course leaves room for improvement in documentation and how
> we organize the implementation (as Peff discussed in [1]), but isn't
> it nice to already have something in place that doesn't require
> inventing a new syntax?

We can quibble over the wording, but I'd say that's a "hack". Yeah for
*some* options setting it to an empty value clears whether it's a
single-value or multi-value.

But it's entirely dependent on the specific callback implemented for
that option, sometimes there's no way to "reset" something, and in the
best case you'd need to exhaustively enumerate everything (e.g. for the
sendemail.* stuff) and hope nobody adds a new option tomorrow, you can't
say "clear this wildard" or "no config from system-wide".

So I think it makes sense to think about how we could promote this to
the config syntax itself so that what somewhat-mostly-but-not-quite
works now by convention would be guaranteed to work, and things that you
can't do at all today (e.g. ignore system config, or selectively ignore
something) would be supported.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-25 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-24  0:49 [PATCH 0/5] Multiple hook support brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  0:49 ` [PATCH 1/5] run-command: add preliminary support for multiple hooks brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  2:27   ` Junio C Hamano
2019-04-24 18:48     ` Johannes Sixt
2019-04-25  0:55       ` Junio C Hamano
2019-04-25  9:39         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-25 10:04           ` Junio C Hamano
2019-04-25 19:40         ` Johannes Sixt
2019-04-26 20:58           ` brian m. carlson
2019-04-26 21:53             ` Johannes Sixt
2019-04-24 22:32     ` brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  0:49 ` [PATCH 2/5] builtin/receive-pack: add " brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  0:49 ` [PATCH 3/5] sequencer: " brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  9:51   ` Phillip Wood
2019-04-24 22:46     ` brian m. carlson
2019-04-25 14:59       ` Phillip Wood
2019-04-24  0:49 ` [PATCH 4/5] builtin/worktree: add support for multiple post-checkout hooks brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  0:49 ` [PATCH 5/5] transport: add support for multiple pre-push hooks brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  2:09 ` [PATCH 0/5] Multiple hook support Junio C Hamano
2019-04-24  2:22   ` brian m. carlson
2019-04-24  2:41     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-04-24  8:14     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-24  2:34 ` Jonathan Nieder
2019-04-24  7:43   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-24  8:22   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-24 23:07   ` brian m. carlson
2019-04-24 23:26     ` Jonathan Nieder
2019-04-25 10:08     ` How to undo previously set configuration? (again) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-25 10:43       ` Duy Nguyen
2019-04-25 11:58         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-26 15:18           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-25 14:36       ` Jonathan Nieder
2019-04-25 14:43         ` Barret Rhoden
2019-04-25 15:27           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-25 15:25         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2019-04-26  2:13         ` Junio C Hamano
2019-04-26  9:36         ` Duy Nguyen
2019-04-30 21:14           ` Jeff King
2019-05-01 11:41             ` Duy Nguyen
2019-05-01 12:18               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-05-01 12:32                 ` Duy Nguyen
2019-05-01 21:09                   ` Jeff King
2019-05-01 21:15                 ` Jeff King
2019-04-24  8:10 ` [PATCH 0/5] Multiple hook support Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-04-24  9:55   ` Phillip Wood
2019-04-24 18:29   ` Bryan Turner
2019-04-24  9:49 ` Duy Nguyen
2019-04-24 22:49   ` brian m. carlson
2019-04-24 23:40   ` brian m. carlson
2019-04-25  0:08     ` Duy Nguyen
2019-04-30 21:39 ` Jeff King

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