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From: Sergey Organov <sorganov@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Chris Torek <chris.torek@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/7] making log --first-parent imply -m
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 20:55:17 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d045nfju.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqeeoloz74.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com> (Junio C. Hamano's message of "Wed, 05 Aug 2020 09:05:35 -0700")

Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:

> Sergey Organov <sorganov@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
>> ...
>> In this case your original test:
>>
>> git log --no-diff-merges -p --first-parent [--diff-merges=1: implied] master
>>
>> would fail, as implied --diff-merges=1 then wins.
>
> IMHO, I think this is an absolutely wrong thing to do.  At least to
> me (and I suspect it would be to many users), what "--first-parent
> implies 'when showing a diff, compare only with the first parent'"
> means is that it should do so unless told to do otherwise.
>
>     git log --no-diff-merges -p --first-parent
>
> explicitly tells the command that the user does not want to see
> patches for merge commits.  I do not see any reason why
> "--first-parent", which merely *implies* a specific diff generation
> preference for merges, countermand it.  IOW the implication is
> conditional.
>
> It is like saying
>
>     git log --first-parent
>
> should show patches because it *implies* comparing only with the
> first parent, but you can see why it is wrong.  It is because that
> implication is conditional---it kicks in only when the command is
> told to compare with any parent (i.e. "-p").  
>
> I.e. the implication is "compare only with the first parent if told
> to compare, and if not told what to compare with explicitly".

I believe my approach is more straightforward and is free from
interpretations.

To make my point let's get back to the subject (for a moment :-)).

To me "--first-parent implies -m" is simple and unambiguous:

(git log [*] --first-parent [*]) == (git log [*] --first-parent -m [*])

No further explanations are needed.

The consequence is that an option that is supposed to override -m must
follow -m, and thus --first-parent, not precede it, period.

Yes, we can invent the rule that implied options don't participate in
overriding of explicit options, or that explicit option always overrides
all the implicit, or some such, but I see absolutely no reason to
complicate the model.

Thanks,
-- Sergey

  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-05 18:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-28 16:36 [PATCH 0/3] making " Jeff King
2020-07-28 16:36 ` [PATCH 1/3] log: drop "--cc implies -m" logic Jeff King
2020-07-28 16:38 ` [PATCH 2/3] revision: add "--ignore-merges" option to counteract "-m" Jeff King
2020-07-28 17:52   ` Chris Torek
2020-07-29 18:42     ` Jeff King
2020-07-28 21:01   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-29 18:22     ` Jeff King
2020-07-29 18:30       ` Jeff King
2020-07-29 18:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-28 16:39 ` [PATCH 3/3] log: enable "-m" automatically with "--first-parent" Jeff King
2020-07-28 16:47 ` [PATCH 0/3] making --first-parent imply -m Jeff King
2020-07-28 16:48 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-28 16:53   ` Jeff King
2020-07-28 16:55 ` Taylor Blau
2020-07-29 20:10 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] making log " Jeff King
2020-07-29 20:10   ` [PATCH v2 1/7] log: drop "--cc implies -m" logic Jeff King
2020-07-29 20:10   ` [PATCH v2 2/7] revision: add "--no-diff-merges" option to counteract "-m" Jeff King
2020-07-29 20:10   ` [PATCH v2 3/7] log: enable "-m" automatically with "--first-parent" Jeff King
2020-07-29 20:28     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-29 20:11   ` [PATCH v2 4/7] doc/git-log: move "Diff Formatting" from rev-list-options Jeff King
2020-07-29 20:56     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-29 21:02       ` Jeff King
2020-07-29 20:11   ` [PATCH v2 5/7] doc/git-log: drop "-r" diff option Jeff King
2020-07-29 20:12   ` [PATCH v2 6/7] doc/git-log: move "-t" into diff-options list Jeff King
2020-07-29 21:10     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-29 21:55       ` Jeff King
2020-07-29 20:12   ` [PATCH v2 7/7] doc/git-log: clarify handling of merge commit diffs Jeff King
2020-07-29 21:03   ` [PATCH v2 0/7] making log --first-parent imply -m Chris Torek
2020-07-29 21:41   ` Sergey Organov
2020-07-31 23:08     ` Jeff King
2020-08-02 12:59       ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-02 17:35         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-03 15:47           ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-03 16:35             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-03 16:41               ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-03 17:21                 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-03 20:25                   ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-03 20:58                     ` Jeff King
2020-08-03 21:16                       ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-03 18:08             ` Jeff King
2020-08-03 20:00               ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-03 20:55                 ` Jeff King
2020-08-03 21:18                   ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-04 17:50               ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-04 19:42                 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-04 20:00                   ` Jeff King
2020-08-04 20:55                     ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-04 21:22                       ` Jeff King
2020-08-04 21:55                         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-04 22:06                           ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-04 22:14                             ` Jeff King
2020-08-04 22:49                               ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-07  8:26                                 ` Jeff King
2020-08-07  9:25                                   ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-07 17:43                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-07 17:52                                     ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-07 19:01                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-07 19:12                                         ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-07 19:20                                           ` Jeff King
2020-08-07 19:28                                             ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-07 19:46                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-07 20:29                                             ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-07 20:39                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-07 21:08                                                 ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-07 21:54                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-07 23:07                                                     ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-04 22:53                               ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-04 21:21                     ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-04 21:26                       ` Jeff King
2020-08-04 19:58                 ` Jeff King
2020-08-04 20:56                   ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-04 21:25                     ` Jeff King
2020-08-04 21:41                       ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-04 22:07                         ` Jeff King
2020-08-04 22:15                           ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-04 21:27                     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-04 21:44                       ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-04 21:58                   ` Sergey Organov
2020-08-04 22:08                     ` Jeff King
2020-08-04 22:26                       ` [PATCH] revision: fix die() message for "--unpacked=" Sergey Organov
2020-08-05  0:03                         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-05 15:37                   ` [PATCH v2 0/7] making log --first-parent imply -m Sergey Organov
2020-08-05 16:05                     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-05 17:55                       ` Sergey Organov [this message]
2020-08-05 19:24                         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-05 20:27                           ` Sergey Organov

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