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[80.57.74.110]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e28sm227062ede.14.2017.06.22.14.58.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 22 Jun 2017 14:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avar by snth with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dOA76-0005HQ-Ul; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 23:58:08 +0200 From: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason To: Junio C Hamano Cc: Simon Ruderich , Patrick Lehmann , Jessie Hernandez , "git\@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: your mail References: <7c277ac1cfb40b9b362d468a94dfb4fe.squirrel@mail.jessiehernandez.com> <20170622124803.45sduodpfbwuuq52@ruderich.org> <0092CDD27C5F9D418B0F3E9B5D05BE080102A3D5@SBS2011.opfingen.plc2.de> <20170622134708.fcc4zxakga6p255x@ruderich.org> <0092CDD27C5F9D418B0F3E9B5D05BE080102A423@SBS2011.opfingen.plc2.de> <20170622204628.eintlap4uchlncub@ruderich.org> User-agent: Debian GNU/Linux 8.8 (jessie); Emacs 25.1.1; mu4e 0.9.19 In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 23:58:08 +0200 Message-ID: <878tkjk7m7.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Jun 22 2017, Junio C. Hamano jotted: > Simon Ruderich writes: > >> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 01:55:27PM +0000, Patrick Lehmann wrote: >>> The description on https://github.com/git/git doesn't reflect that policy. >>> >>> a) >>> It explains that discussions take place in the mentioned mailing list. >>> b) >>> It describes how to subscribe. >> >> However it doesn't say that you have to subscribe to send, only >> how to subscribe. > > For that matter, we also say "everyone is welcome to post", which > makes it clear that no subscription is required. > > But I view these merely being technically correct. And making it > absolutely obvious does not cost too much. > >>> With knowledge of other mailing lists (mostly managed by mailman), >>> subscription is required for participation. >> >> That depends on the mailing list, some require subscription to >> prevent spams but not all do. > > Yes. But not many people realize that the world they know is the > only world. We are used to an open list and are shocked when we > encouter a closed one; let's not forget that shock. > > How about doing it like this? > > README.md | 4 ++++ > 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+) > > diff --git a/README.md b/README.md > index f17af66a97..bbaf54bffb 100644 > --- a/README.md > +++ b/README.md > @@ -31,6 +31,10 @@ The user discussion and development of Git take place on the Git > mailing list -- everyone is welcome to post bug reports, feature > requests, comments and patches to git@vger.kernel.org (read > [Documentation/SubmittingPatches][] for instructions on patch submission). > + > +You can send messages without subscribing to the list, but it is > +recommended to read what other people are saying on the list before > +you speak. > To subscribe to the list, send an email with just "subscribe git" in > the body to majordomo@vger.kernel.org. The mailing list archives are > available at , It's unclear what that means. I *think* it means "consider taking a look around the list before you post", but then it's probably better advice to tell people to skim the archives first to get an idea of the traffic. E.g. if I page through the first 2 pages of public-inbox.org I get messages going back to the 19th, but if I were to subscribe to the list I'd need to wait 4 days to get the same mail. Which, in the context of what this follows (how to submit a bug, questions etc.) isn't a good use of time for the person reading the instructions. Maybe something more like: diff --git a/README.md b/README.md index f17af66a97..dc175757fa 100644 --- a/README.md +++ b/README.md @@ -36,6 +36,12 @@ the body to majordomo@vger.kernel.org. The mailing list archives are available at , and other archival sites. +You don't need to be subscribed to the list to send mail to it, and +others on-list will generally CC you when replying (although some +forget this). It's adviced to subscribe to the list if you want to be +sure you're not missing follow-up discussion, or if your interest in +the project is wider than a one-off bug report, question or patch. + The maintainer frequently sends the "What's cooking" reports that list the current status of various development topics to the mailing list. The discussion following them give a good reference for