From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1831F45E for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2020 04:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1729466AbgBMEag (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Feb 2020 23:30:36 -0500 Received: from mail-lf1-f67.google.com ([209.85.167.67]:40828 "EHLO mail-lf1-f67.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727076AbgBMEag (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Feb 2020 23:30:36 -0500 Received: by mail-lf1-f67.google.com with SMTP id c23so3225296lfi.7 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 20:30:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=osb4h8lY2DQqJl1E+xoxTUEVjOsbd8e70aM5+QMvS3c=; b=g0wiv1ZxMNEK+IHmyb7xCmyWYzU7/9xwq+/przRHTyF0XNxpFGQt7ET1mXN/cxS4JV SIPEXROSv7I2JnZq76UpFtG1yQRC/n/1ADc2QN00Gwq1Q/PJORPdekh2oirCJFzW/AjN 4GZRkx0Uhqf7tpAlKnanO0UdlJpjc5wZFBbtOvXuMmDktYa+kU+nqMX65q1uNWhHSifD ezvzCEEFc0oBxZdHpvP0GAtzYF5rHDBaPFoaQp4H8OwcNAQNjM9Khwj6Oxp7yHllfBXM QwwkVDlhQXfNWXiPkxpGNUgH3/Tieg3dkAEQdHXckzfOUbLEqIIxxQIqR7/3RfilOOPQ RVOw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=osb4h8lY2DQqJl1E+xoxTUEVjOsbd8e70aM5+QMvS3c=; b=FLXR8iz+pEf3tNcoZdixf+cfR1SkAn01A237xommD+r41ws8aCxtvq8N6/Gw/o1cbz R5ikHNJlbV+5mAnQcYks8HKYxWJQ1qrOU7V4UfTP290V1zajt58OrKE2zNGzgfrIAwaL ev39oJrEwkd7WcVnQsr5oAA10ysvwKweo7LaBgrQpgDWVpQP5F1ogyhZ3EaMI/xw7QtI LV2XFKFUZDDcWe4d1WEAVl26V6BPjGfUnvgVAQ7e5FBl7veXXhX/qGEP5Os/tCr9chE9 zrp0xqBqaBi55SLnb3hNavB+dVRCcKDZ8KONWmBnMrIoLg/QR4dfCDeuAk0ww8AyOQ7/ JJTQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUKfYYctcduK/EKRIB+xSbvoIp4CQHOYkO49yxRAFerBwMERHS/ 93Eemxn+RH6tfh2kVA401nS+TE4B X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz1+5ZZLNUQI/GbK3740BcYQlNa2HZaYRoPaStdrE0PlxOmQqewppn3mYUgXi6Eq2Jdxz/oOg== X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5a48:: with SMTP id r8mr8501096lfn.179.1581568233913; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 20:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from osv.localdomain ([89.175.180.246]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x18sm467998lfe.37.2020.02.12.20.30.32 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 12 Feb 2020 20:30:32 -0800 (PST) From: Sergey Organov To: Junio C Hamano Cc: Jeff King , Aleksey Midenkov , Abhishek Kumar , Git Mailing List Subject: Re: Git tedious verbosity References: <20200211195549.GE2127797@coredump.intra.peff.net> <20200211195627.GF2127797@coredump.intra.peff.net> <87k14se849.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:30:32 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Junio C. Hamano's message of "Wed, 12 Feb 2020 09:36:41 -0800") Message-ID: <8736bf3y8n.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Junio C Hamano writes: > Sergey Organov writes: > >> It says: >> >> All advice.* variables default to true, and you can tell Git that you >> do not need help by setting these to false: >> >> If there were an option to set that default to 'false' (advice.default >> maybe?), it'd have answered the demands of the experts, I think. > > Well, just like newbies won't stay to be newbies forever (and that > is why you can disable advice.frotz once you learned about frotz), > what you call "experts" won't stay to be experts, either. A new and > backward incompatible way to work may be introduced and a new advice > message to guide _everybody_ (including those who thought they were > already experts) may have to be introduced, and turning off all > advice.* variables, even the ones that you haven't seen, would hurt > them. By "experts" here, in the context of particular discussion, I meant Linux/UNIX experts who are used to tools being silent, unless verbosity is explicitly requested (typical --verbose,-v), or at least having a simple way to make them silent (typical --quiet,-q). >> So... So in fact this has little to do with git proficiency. -- Sergey