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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>,
	Robert Karszniewicz <avoidr@posteo.de>,
	Emily Shaffer <emilyshaffer@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] doc: replace "alice" and "bob" examples
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 21:09:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871r93ym8q.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <60c8db3558fb8_1296f208ac@natae.notmuch>


On Tue, Jun 15 2021, Felipe Contreras wrote:

> Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
>> I suggested in [1] that the "alice" and "bob" examples in our
>> documentation would be better written without a reference to such
>> fictional characters, for reasons that have nothing to do with trying
>> to bend over backwards to avoid any reference to people's gender. It
>> just makes for better documentation.
>
> I'm fond of Alice and Bob, and I'm saddened they are the latest casualty
> of the culture war, but if we are avoiding gender of examples, it makes
> sense to let them go.
>
> However, I want to defend this usage a little.
>
>   1. Alice and Bob are familiar, so it requires less cogntive load from
>      the user.
>   2. Alice and Bob promote the usage of git as a distributed VCS, where
>      unlike centralized VCS, you directly use the repositories of your
>      colleagues.
>   3. They provide some relief to an otherwise sterile landscape.
>
> I don't think these changes make for a necessarily better documentation,
> just a more sterile one.

Fair enough, for what it's worth I wouldn't recommend against using
these names in general, I would think you'd actively seek out those
actors in e.g. cryptography documentation.

But as I argue in 1/6 I think these references go over the head of most
of our users, and those users are better served by more succinct
documentation.

The diffstat for the series as a whole increases line count, but it's
because of e.g. 3/6 elaborating on the function of the --user-path
switch, in the case of 1/6 we've got a reduction in lines and number of
words.

And as argued in 1/6 for those users who /are/ aware of "Alice and Bob"
it's needless distraction. Maybe it's just me, but whenever I read
references to them I keep waiting for the cryptography angle to be
introduced. None of the uses in our documentation reflect that canonical
usage.

There's also just weird things in our documentation fixed by this
series, such as referring to a random file tracked by git as "bob"
instead of the more obvious "file.txt".

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-15 19:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-15 16:17 [PATCH 0/6] doc: replace "alice" and "bob" examples Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-15 16:17 ` [PATCH 1/6] gittutorial doc: replace "alice" and "bob" with "you" and "www-data" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-16  3:43   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-06-16  4:50     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-16 21:04     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-17 20:38     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-15 16:17 ` [PATCH 2/6] gitcvs-migration " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-16  4:02   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-06-15 16:18 ` [PATCH 3/6] daemon doc + code comments: reword "alice" example Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-15 16:18 ` [PATCH 4/6] fast-import doc: change "bob" in an example to "file.txt" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-15 16:18 ` [PATCH 5/6] doc: replace "alice" and "bob" with "jdoe" and "msmith" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-15 16:18 ` [PATCH 6/6] pack-protocol doc: use "www-data" in place of "alice" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-15 16:46 ` [PATCH 0/6] doc: replace "alice" and "bob" examples Robert P. J. Day
2021-06-15 18:45   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-15 16:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-15 19:09   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2021-06-16 20:56     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-17 15:48       ` Phillip Susi
2021-06-17 20:51         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-16  1:52 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-16  9:30   ` Robert P. J. Day
2021-06-16 12:00     ` Jeff King
2021-06-16 20:59   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-16 21:02     ` Randall S. Becker

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