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From: Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Cc: "Derrick Stolee" <dstolee@microsoft.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Stefan Beller" <sbeller@google.com>,
	"Lars Schneider" <larsxschneider@gmail.com>,
	"Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] Compute and consume generation numbers
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2018 18:52:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86lgdplogn.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45320265-9fec-cee1-e82c-3ff719bb0435@gmail.com> (Derrick Stolee's message of "Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:58:27 -0400")

Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com> writes:
> On 4/11/2018 3:32 PM, Jakub Narebski wrote:

>> What would you suggest as a good test that could imply performance? The
>> Google Colab notebook linked to above includes a function to count
>> number of commits (nodes / vertices in the commit graph) walked,
>> currently in the worst case scenario.
>
> The two main questions to consider are:
>
> 1. Can X reach Y?

That is easy to do.  The function generic_is_reachable() does
that... though using direct translation of the pseudocode for
"Algorithm 3: Reachable" from FELINE paper, which is recursive and
doesn't check if vertex was already visited was not good idea for large
graphs such as Linux kernel commit graph, oops.  That is why
generic_is_reachable_large() was created.

> 2. What is the set of merge-bases between X and Y?

I don't have an algorithm for that in the Google Colaboratory notebook.
Though I see that there exist algorithms for calculating lowest common
ancestors in DAGs...

I'll have to take a look how Git does that.

>
> And the thing to measure is a commit count. If possible, it would be
> good to count commits walked (commits whose parent list is enumerated)
> and commits inspected (commits that were listed as a parent of some
> walked commit). Walked commits require a commit parse -- albeit from
> the commit-graph instead of the ODB now -- while inspected commits
> only check the in-memory cache.

I don't quite see the distinction.  Whether we access generation number
of a commit (information about level of vertex in graph), or a parent
list (vertex successors / neighbours), it both needs accessing
commit-graph; well, accessing parents may be more costly for octopus
merges (due to having to go through EDGE chunk).

I can easily return the set of visited commits (vertices), or just size
of said set.

>
> For git.git and Linux, I like to use the release tags as tests. They
> provide a realistic view of the linear history, and maintenance
> releases have their own history from the major releases.

Hmmm... testing for v4.9-rc5..v4.9 in Linux kernel commit graphs, the
FELINE index does not bring any improvements over using just level
(generation number) filter.  But that may be caused by narrowing od
commit DAG around releases.

I try do do the same between commits in wide part, with many commits
with the same level (same generation number) both for source and for
target commit.  Though this may be unfair to level filter, though...


Note however that FELINE index is not unabiguous, like generation
numbers are (modulo decision whether to start at 0 or at 1); it depends
on the topological ordering chosen for the X elements.

>> I have tried finding number of false positives for level (generation
>> number) filter and for FELINE index, and number of false negatives for
>> min-post intervals in the spanning tree (for DFS tree) for 10000
>> randomly selected pairs of commits... but I don't think this is a good
>> benchmark.
>
> What is a false-positive? A case where gen(X) < gen(Y) but Y cannot
> reach X?

Yes.  (And equivalent for FELINE index, which is a pair of integers).

> I do not think that is a great benchmark, but I guess it is
> something to measure.

I have simply used it to have something to compare.

>> I Linux kernel sources (https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git)
>> that has 750832 nodes and 811733 edges, and 563747941392 possible
>> directed pairs, we have for 10000 randomly selected pairs of commits:
>>
>>    level-filter has    91 =  0.91% [all] false positives
>>    FELINE index has    78 =  0.78% [all] false positives
>>    FELINE index has 1.16667 less false positives than level filter
>>
>>    min-post spanning-tree intervals has  3641 = 36.41% [all] false
>>    negatives
>
> Perhaps something you can do instead of sampling from N^2 commits in
> total is to select a pair of generations (say, G = 20000, G' = 20100)
> or regions of generations ( 20000 <= G <= 20050, 20100 <= G' <= 20150)
> and see how many false positives you see by testing all pairs (one
> from each level). The delta between the generations may need to be
> smaller to actually have a large proportion of unreachable pairs. Try
> different levels, since major version releases tend to "pinch" the
> commit graph to a common history.

That's a good idea.

>> For git.git repository (https://github.com/git/git.git) that has 52950
>> nodes and 65887 edges the numbers are slighly more in FELINE index
>> favor (also out of 10000 random pairs):
>>
>>    level-filter has   504 =  9.11% false positives
>>    FELINE index has   125 =  2.26% false positives
>>    FELINE index has 4.032 less false positives than level filter
>>
>> This is for FELINE which does not use level / generatio-numbers filter.

Best,
-- 
Jakub Narębski

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-14 16:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-03 16:51 [PATCH 0/6] Compute and consume generation numbers Derrick Stolee
2018-04-03 16:51 ` [PATCH 1/6] object.c: parse commit in graph first Derrick Stolee
2018-04-03 18:21   ` Jonathan Tan
2018-04-03 18:28     ` Jeff King
2018-04-03 18:32       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-03 16:51 ` [PATCH 2/6] commit: add generation number to struct commmit Derrick Stolee
2018-04-03 18:05   ` Brandon Williams
2018-04-03 18:28     ` Jeff King
2018-04-03 18:31       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-03 18:32       ` Brandon Williams
2018-04-03 18:44       ` Stefan Beller
2018-04-03 23:17       ` Ramsay Jones
2018-04-03 23:19         ` Jeff King
2018-04-03 18:24   ` Jonathan Tan
2018-04-03 16:51 ` [PATCH 3/6] commit-graph: compute generation numbers Derrick Stolee
2018-04-03 18:30   ` Jonathan Tan
2018-04-03 18:49     ` Stefan Beller
2018-04-03 16:51 ` [PATCH 4/6] commit: use generations in paint_down_to_common() Derrick Stolee
2018-04-03 18:31   ` Stefan Beller
2018-04-03 18:31   ` Jonathan Tan
2018-04-03 16:51 ` [PATCH 5/6] commit.c: use generation to halt paint walk Derrick Stolee
2018-04-03 19:01   ` Jonathan Tan
2018-04-03 16:51 ` [PATCH 6/6] commit-graph.txt: update future work Derrick Stolee
2018-04-03 19:04   ` Jonathan Tan
2018-04-03 16:56 ` [PATCH 0/6] Compute and consume generation numbers Derrick Stolee
2018-04-03 18:03 ` Brandon Williams
2018-04-03 18:29   ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-03 18:47     ` Jeff King
2018-04-03 19:05       ` Jeff King
2018-04-04 15:45         ` [PATCH 7/6] ref-filter: use generation number for --contains Derrick Stolee
2018-04-04 15:45           ` [PATCH 8/6] commit: use generation numbers for in_merge_bases() Derrick Stolee
2018-04-04 15:48             ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-04 17:01               ` Brandon Williams
2018-04-04 18:24               ` Jeff King
2018-04-04 18:53                 ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-04 18:59                   ` Jeff King
2018-04-04 18:22           ` [PATCH 7/6] ref-filter: use generation number for --contains Jeff King
2018-04-04 19:06             ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-04 19:16               ` Jeff King
2018-04-04 19:22                 ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-04 19:42                   ` Jeff King
2018-04-04 19:45                     ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-04 19:46                       ` Jeff King
2018-04-07 17:09     ` [PATCH 0/6] Compute and consume generation numbers Jakub Narebski
2018-04-07 16:55 ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-08  1:06   ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-11 19:32     ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-11 19:58       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-14 16:52         ` Jakub Narebski [this message]
2018-04-21 20:44           ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-23 13:54             ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-09 16:41 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] " Derrick Stolee
2018-04-09 16:41   ` [PATCH v2 01/10] object.c: parse commit in graph first Derrick Stolee
2018-04-09 16:41   ` [PATCH v2 02/10] merge: check config before loading commits Derrick Stolee
2018-04-11  2:12     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-11 12:49       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-09 16:42   ` [PATCH v2 03/10] commit: add generation number to struct commmit Derrick Stolee
2018-04-09 17:59     ` Stefan Beller
2018-04-11  2:31     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-11 12:57       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-11 23:28         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-09 16:42   ` [PATCH v2 04/10] commit-graph: compute generation numbers Derrick Stolee
2018-04-11  2:51     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-11 13:02       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-11 18:49         ` Stefan Beller
2018-04-11 19:26         ` Eric Sunshine
2018-04-09 16:42   ` [PATCH v2 05/10] commit: use generations in paint_down_to_common() Derrick Stolee
2018-04-09 16:42   ` [PATCH v2 06/10] commit.c: use generation to halt paint walk Derrick Stolee
2018-04-11  3:02     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-11 13:24       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-09 16:42   ` [PATCH v2 07/10] commit-graph.txt: update future work Derrick Stolee
2018-04-12  9:12     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-12 11:35       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-13  9:53         ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-09 16:42   ` [PATCH v2 08/10] ref-filter: use generation number for --contains Derrick Stolee
2018-04-09 16:42   ` [PATCH v2 09/10] commit: use generation numbers for in_merge_bases() Derrick Stolee
2018-04-09 16:42   ` [PATCH v2 10/10] commit: add short-circuit to paint_down_to_common() Derrick Stolee
2018-04-17 17:00   ` [PATCH v3 0/9] Compute and consume generation numbers Derrick Stolee
2018-04-17 17:00     ` [PATCH v3 1/9] commit: add generation number to struct commmit Derrick Stolee
2018-04-17 17:00     ` [PATCH v3 2/9] commit-graph: compute generation numbers Derrick Stolee
2018-04-17 17:00     ` [PATCH v3 3/9] commit: use generations in paint_down_to_common() Derrick Stolee
2018-04-18 14:31       ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-18 14:46         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-17 17:00     ` [PATCH v3 4/9] commit-graph.txt: update design document Derrick Stolee
2018-04-18 19:47       ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-17 17:00     ` [PATCH v3 5/9] ref-filter: use generation number for --contains Derrick Stolee
2018-04-18 21:02       ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-23 14:22         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-24 18:56           ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-25 14:11             ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-17 17:00     ` [PATCH v3 6/9] commit: use generation numbers for in_merge_bases() Derrick Stolee
2018-04-18 22:15       ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-23 14:31         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-17 17:00     ` [PATCH v3 7/9] commit: add short-circuit to paint_down_to_common() Derrick Stolee
2018-04-18 23:19       ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-23 14:40         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-23 21:38           ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-24 12:31             ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-19  8:32       ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-17 17:00     ` [PATCH v3 8/9] commit-graph: always load commit-graph information Derrick Stolee
2018-04-17 17:50       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-19  0:02       ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-23 14:49         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-17 17:00     ` [PATCH v3 9/9] merge: check config before loading commits Derrick Stolee
2018-04-19  0:04     ` [PATCH v3 0/9] Compute and consume generation numbers Jakub Narebski
2018-04-23 14:54       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-25 14:37     ` [PATCH v4 00/10] " Derrick Stolee
2018-04-25 14:37       ` [PATCH v4 01/10] ref-filter: fix outdated comment on in_commit_list Derrick Stolee
2018-04-28 17:54         ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-25 14:37       ` [PATCH v4 02/10] commit: add generation number to struct commmit Derrick Stolee
2018-04-28 22:35         ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-30 12:05           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-25 14:37       ` [PATCH v4 03/10] commit-graph: compute generation numbers Derrick Stolee
2018-04-26  2:35         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-26 12:58           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-26 13:49             ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-29  9:08         ` Jakub Narebski
2018-05-01 12:10           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-05-02 16:15             ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-25 14:37       ` [PATCH v4 04/10] commit: use generations in paint_down_to_common() Derrick Stolee
2018-04-26  3:22         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-26  9:02           ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-28 14:38             ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-29 15:40         ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-25 14:37       ` [PATCH v4 06/10] ref-filter: use generation number for --contains Derrick Stolee
2018-04-30 16:34         ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-25 14:37       ` [PATCH v4 05/10] commit-graph: always load commit-graph information Derrick Stolee
2018-04-29 22:14         ` Jakub Narebski
2018-05-01 12:19           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-29 22:18         ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-25 14:37       ` [PATCH v4 07/10] commit: use generation numbers for in_merge_bases() Derrick Stolee
2018-04-30 17:05         ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-25 14:38       ` [PATCH v4 08/10] commit: add short-circuit to paint_down_to_common() Derrick Stolee
2018-04-30 22:19         ` Jakub Narebski
2018-05-01 11:47           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-05-02 13:05             ` Jakub Narebski
2018-05-02 13:42               ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-25 14:38       ` [PATCH v4 09/10] merge: check config before loading commits Derrick Stolee
2018-04-30 22:54         ` Jakub Narebski
2018-05-01 11:52           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-05-02 11:41             ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-25 14:38       ` [PATCH v4 10/10] commit-graph.txt: update design document Derrick Stolee
2018-04-30 23:32         ` Jakub Narebski
2018-05-01 12:00           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-05-02  7:57             ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-25 14:40       ` [PATCH v4 00/10] Compute and consume generation numbers Derrick Stolee
2018-04-28 17:28         ` Jakub Narebski
2018-05-01 12:47       ` [PATCH v5 00/11] " Derrick Stolee
2018-05-01 12:47         ` [PATCH v5 01/11] ref-filter: fix outdated comment on in_commit_list Derrick Stolee
2018-05-01 12:47         ` [PATCH v5 02/11] commit: add generation number to struct commmit Derrick Stolee
2018-05-01 12:47         ` [PATCH v5 03/11] commit-graph: compute generation numbers Derrick Stolee
2018-05-01 12:47         ` [PATCH v5 04/11] commit: use generations in paint_down_to_common() Derrick Stolee
2018-05-01 12:47         ` [PATCH v5 05/11] commit-graph: always load commit-graph information Derrick Stolee
2018-05-01 12:47         ` [PATCH v5 06/11] ref-filter: use generation number for --contains Derrick Stolee
2018-05-01 12:47         ` [PATCH v5 07/11] commit: use generation numbers for in_merge_bases() Derrick Stolee
2018-05-01 12:47         ` [PATCH v5 08/11] commit: add short-circuit to paint_down_to_common() Derrick Stolee
2018-05-01 12:47         ` [PATCH v5 09/11] commit: use generation number in remove_redundant() Derrick Stolee
2018-05-01 15:37           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-05-03 18:45           ` Jakub Narebski
2018-05-01 12:47         ` [PATCH v5 10/11] merge: check config before loading commits Derrick Stolee
2018-05-01 12:47         ` [PATCH v5 11/11] commit-graph.txt: update design document Derrick Stolee
2018-05-03 11:18         ` [PATCH v5 00/11] Compute and consume generation numbers Jakub Narebski

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