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From: Whinis <Whinis@whinis.com>
To: levraiphilippeblain@gmail.com
Cc: Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de, don@goodman-wilson.com,
	felipe.contreras@gmail.com, git@vger.kernel.org,
	gitster@pobox.com, sandals@crustytoothpaste.net
Subject: Re: The master branch rename, and avoiding another v1.6.0 git-foo fiasco
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 10:39:37 -0500
Message-ID: <8240e2a1-5191-1f81-463f-f8f6ed36996b@whinis.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3EC700EE-8DB1-4A31-9061-6C5899330CCC@gmail.com>

> I couldn't agree more. We really need to be warning users several versions in advance,
> and I mean months or even years. I don't wan't to come up with a number, but I would
> guess that maybe 85 %, (or even 95 % ?) of the world-wide Git user base is unaware that any discussion
> on that topic ever took place.
>
> Brian mentioned that some people voicing their concern on the list did not abide by the code of conduct.
> There was also very vocal disagreement voiced in the Git-for-Windows GitHub project before the
> discussion reached the mailing list, of which a lot was also considered to not abide by that project's
> code of conduct. While I agree that discussion should be done with respect, and some people that
> are driven to react to such important changes might not be aware of any code of conduct they should
> follow, because they don't participate in the "day-to-day" life of the project, just the fact that they even
> care enough to voice their disagreement should be a big red flag in terms of how this change should be done,
> in my opinion.
>
> I had avoided commenting on this whole subject, but the main point you are bringing,
> that such a change, if done, should be made with great care to our user base and a lot
> more warning, is a very important one.
>
> Thanks for bringing it up.
>
> Philippe.
Not just Git-for-Windows but there is also numerous reddit threads 
expressing both disbelief that this would even be considered and anger 
at how it might hurt various workflows as well as issues on gitlab and 
gitea which were closed as soon as any discussion started normally 
citing the code of conduct even if no real violations occurred. The one 
exception was gitlab where it was closed, reopened and allowed for long 
discussion before being closed again. In the gitlab one certainly user 
issues were brought up, even if primarily by me, before being discarded 
as those for the change purely on emotional reasoning. What I find sort 
of interesting is the constant claim that its a direct reference to 
slavery also without any proof.

Overall this is a massive change that will affect users, documentation, 
and classes for years to come if made and should only be made with 
clear, articulatable, realizable benefits such as the SHA1 change. 
Breaking years of documentation and books without that clear and obvious 
benefit is a disservice to users and likely to cause significant harm in 
the short and long term and a clear tenant of why few projects change 
things just to change things. The risk of unintended effects is too 
great once something is well recognized as python and others have found 
out trying to remove what their perceived as problematic language 
leading to multiple incompatible versions.

Whinis


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-11-23 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-13  0:04 Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13  1:01 ` brian m. carlson
2020-11-13  4:27   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13  5:14     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-11-13  6:28       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13 14:58         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-11-13 15:37           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13 16:08           ` Michal Suchánek
2020-11-14 14:19           ` Lukasz Niemier
2020-11-15  3:46             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-11-15  4:27               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-19  1:02               ` Brandon Casey
2020-11-19  4:16                 ` Peter Hadlaw
2020-11-19 13:37                 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-11-19 21:25                   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-19 23:29                     ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-20 19:14                     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-11-19 21:29                   ` Brandon Casey
2020-11-20  0:34                     ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13  6:09     ` Don Goodman-Wilson
     [not found]     ` <nbCkLegnP_kb-16UzAuDChE0p68ZtRD_3ZN3o3BJHYBYpUxTWuKjvhCSKT7zRZl_sckHrkyJl2fwePFUBR-HtDcEV0rHuac6Ygg-FrrYsYI=@goodman-wilson.com>
2020-11-13  6:47       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13 13:53         ` Philippe Blain
2020-11-13 15:49           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-23 15:39           ` Whinis [this message]
2020-11-20 18:38     ` Ismael Luceno

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