From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Junio C Hamano Subject: Re: Why Is There No Bug Tracker And Why Are Patches Sent Instead Of Pull Requests Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:45:35 -0800 Message-ID: <7vk433eyts.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> References: <7vhay9tqs6.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <20120229225304.GA9099@burratino> <8762eoimp0.fsf@thomas.inf.ethz.ch> <7vmx80nt68.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <4F504699.3070406@gmail.com> <20120302041924.GG5248@burratino> <4F505F8C.70802@gmail.com> <7vsjhrfprz.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <4F50D6C6.3080909@op5.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Neal Kreitzinger , Jonathan Nieder , Thomas Rast , Andrew Ardill , opticyclic , git@vger.kernel.org To: Andreas Ericsson X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Fri Mar 02 17:45:50 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vc1-0002tV-Ba for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:45:45 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030296Ab2CBQpk (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 Mar 2012 11:45:40 -0500 Received: from b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com ([208.72.237.35]:36355 "EHLO smtp.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964842Ab2CBQpj (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 Mar 2012 11:45:39 -0500 Received: from smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF2869D3; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 11:45:38 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=Uj9W2gMqkndqwkPlJYZ1ipazqks=; b=grs139 OwAqL+HyeuGNJ5TtzDIdGTsricrojp7yrH9cqHYyAFGv6ReXHxoRTcbf/zq/KZSE Cjd6Zec6NG82gJEwdp3L1gmxp/duaPiFl2oGb2Jq9lXwYUengnorXVB0WB7tKyUL Pgq6kD+fM7eXgs/qYyT+vaE+Nos6MTzcMGMrY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=ZGq/txacnHWaVY9yF8QoAHL/fMdmoUBR BzI4UUMolcJxAEz6Qw1tKT33Ddb8FyU38aQD2mdlAaKjkUpWiQaUhHDm9CdkAsaQ edM51+oXl2sOTZY90xygQJtPWIScyopBXuslS2AAIJMOpfX4lG0TmjajOjfm8WRZ 8Rc6j7l3V0c= Received: from b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1596F69D2; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 11:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [76.102.170.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9395669D1; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 11:45:37 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <4F50D6C6.3080909@op5.se> (Andreas Ericsson's message of "Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:18:46 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 237BF402-6487-11E1-8C0D-9DB42E706CDE-77302942!b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Andreas Ericsson writes: > On 03/02/2012 08:03 AM, Junio C Hamano wrote: > > ... a very concise and exact response. > >> In any case, any solution that demands more things to be done by people >> near the core developers than they currently are already doing will make >> things worse by exacerbating the problem that comes from a bottleneck in >> the process. I do not think your "The maintainer triages and assigns >> issues to other developers" or "The assigned developer marks the issue as >> 'done' after fixing it" will fly very well, regardless of the use of any >> bug tracker. > > It works very well when there's the incentive of roof over one's head > and food on one's table to take care of the assigned issues. Your "this is a volunteer effort and assignment does not work like corp environment" is valid, but I think it is missing the point. A solution that demands more from people who are already bottlenecks will not work very well, even in a corporate environment where you have stronger incentive to fill your assigned role.