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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
Cc: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Matthieu Moy" <Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"Michael Haggerty" <mhagger@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/7] Undocument deprecated alias 'push.default=tracking'
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:41:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vip6dgmx2.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130131190747.GE27340@google.com> (Jonathan Nieder's message of "Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:07:47 -0800")

Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com> writes:

> Junio C Hamano wrote:
>
>> Wow, that's a blast from the past.
>>
>> I tend to agree that deprecating and removing are quite different,
>> but a simple "revert" of the change would not be good, either.  We
>> still would want to _discourage_ its use.
>
> Hm, I was about to try adding a line in that vein, like
>
>  * `tracking` - deprecated synonym for `upstream`.
>  
> Imagine my surprise when I saw that that is what you just said
> would be no good:
>
> [...]
>>>>    `git pull`.
>>>> -* `tracking` - deprecated synonym for `upstream`.
>>>>  * `current` - push the current branch to a branch of the same name.
>
> I really do think that including `tracking` in the same list would be
> valuable.  When I look over a friend's .gitconfig file to help track
> down a problem she is running into, it is helpful if I can find the
> meaning of each item in a straightforward way.

While I agree we would need a way for you to easily find `tracking`
mentioned near that point, listing it as if it is a proper part of
the same list of possibilities is not the only way to do so.

The enumeration is used by two different audiences.  For those who
want to _learn_ what possibilities are available to them (i.e. they
are not going from `tracking` to what it means, but going in the
opposite direction), it should be unmistakingly clear that
`tracking` is not a part of the choices they should make.  I do not
think the following list created by a simple "revert" makes it clear.

    * `nothing` - do not push anything.
    * `matching` - push all branches having the same name in both ends.
    * `upstream` - push the current branch to ...
    * `simple` - like `upstream`, but refuses to ...
    * `tracking` - deprecated synonym for `upstream`.
    * `current` - push the current branch to a branch of the same name.

When scanning, most people will scan lines to see there are 6
choices without reading anything after '-' first, and then start
reading the item that sounds plausible for them without necessarily
reading the others.  That will imprint the word `tracking` in the
context of choosing how to push, especially when that is not what
they end up using.

That is why I tend to prefer how check-ref-format documentation
describes --print:

        --normalize::
                Normalize 'refname' by removing any leading slash (`/`)
                characters and collapsing runs of adjacent slashes between
                name components into a single slash.  Iff the normalized
                refname is valid then print it to standard output and exit
                with a status of 0.  (`--print` is a deprecated way to spell
                `--normalize`.)

When you are going from `tracking` to what it means, you have \C-s
(if you are viewing in Emacs) or '/' (if you are using less)
available.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-01-31 19:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-28 19:47 [ANNOUNCE] Git 1.7.10-rc3 Junio C Hamano
2012-03-29  9:52 ` Jeff King
2012-03-29 21:22   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-29 22:11     ` Jeff King
2012-03-30  1:54       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-30  7:13         ` push.default: current vs upstream Jeff King
2012-03-30 20:25           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-30 21:01             ` Jeff King
2012-03-30 21:28               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-30 21:53                 ` Jeff King
2012-03-30 22:15                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-30 22:20                     ` Jeff King
2012-03-30 23:12                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-31 22:49               ` Nathan Gray
2012-03-31 23:48                 ` Seth Robertson
2012-04-01  2:22                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-01  5:58                   ` Nathan Gray
2012-04-02  7:40             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-02 16:48               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-02 17:20                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-02 18:40                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-02 18:58                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-02 19:47                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-02 20:40                         ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-02 20:50                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-02 21:02                           ` demerphq
2012-04-02 21:16                             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-04  7:57                               ` demerphq
2012-04-05 13:13               ` Jeff King
2012-04-05 16:46                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-06  7:15                   ` Jeff King
2012-04-06  7:44                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-06  8:00                       ` Jeff King
2012-04-06 17:41                         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-06 18:01                         ` Jehan Bing
2012-04-07  7:49                         ` Michael Haggerty
2012-04-07  7:51                           ` Jeff King
2012-04-07  8:40                             ` Andrew Sayers
2012-04-12  7:11                               ` Jeff King
2012-04-12 15:04                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-12 21:16                                 ` Andrew Sayers
2012-04-12 21:33                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-12 22:11                                     ` Jeff King
2012-04-12 22:59                                       ` Philip Oakley
2012-04-13 19:31                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-17 20:13                                     ` Andrew Sayers
2012-04-08  4:43                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-11 16:17                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-11 16:44                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-12  7:55                                 ` Jeff King
2012-04-12  8:09                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-12  8:14                                     ` Jeff King
2012-04-12  8:59                                       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-12 15:56                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-19 16:06                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-19 20:38                                             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-19 21:02                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-19 22:57                                               ` [RFC/PATCH 0/3] push.default upcomming change Matthieu Moy
2012-04-19 22:57                                                 ` [PATCH 1/3] push: introduce new push.default mode "simple" Matthieu Moy
2012-04-19 23:46                                                   ` Jeff King
2012-04-20 14:52                                                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-20 14:59                                                       ` [PATCH 0/4 v2] push.default upcomming change Matthieu Moy
2012-04-20 14:59                                                         ` [PATCH 1/4] Documentation: explain push.default option a bit more Matthieu Moy
2012-04-20 20:13                                                           ` Jeff King
2012-04-20 21:28                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-21  3:51                                                               ` Michael Haggerty
2012-04-21  4:08                                                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-21  5:01                                                                   ` Michael Haggerty
2012-04-21  5:42                                                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-20 14:59                                                         ` [PATCH 2/4] push: introduce new push.default mode "simple" Matthieu Moy
2012-04-20 20:33                                                           ` Jeff King
2012-04-22 16:24                                                             ` Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
2012-04-20 21:42                                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23  8:38                                                             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-20 14:59                                                         ` [PATCH 3/4] t5570: use explicit push refspec Matthieu Moy
2012-04-20 14:59                                                         ` [PATCH 4/4] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Matthieu Moy
2012-04-20 20:35                                                         ` [PATCH 0/4 v2] push.default upcomming change Jeff King
2012-04-22 11:05                                                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23  2:50                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23  8:37                                                         ` [PATCH 0/7 v3] " Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23  8:37                                                           ` [PATCH 1/7] Documentation: explain push.default option a bit more Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 15:20                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 19:00                                                             ` Philip Oakley
2012-04-23 19:11                                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 21:01                                                                 ` Philip Oakley
2012-04-23  8:37                                                           ` [PATCH 2/7] Undocument deprecated alias 'push.default=tracking' Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 15:21                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 17:10                                                             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2013-01-31 17:35                                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 19:07                                                                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-01-31 19:11                                                                   ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-01-31 19:58                                                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 19:41                                                                   ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2013-01-31 19:57                                                                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-01-31 20:01                                                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 20:11                                                                         ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-01-31 20:42                                                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 20:44                                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 20:04                                                                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-01-31 20:08                                                                       ` Matthieu Moy
2013-01-31 20:21                                                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 20:50                                                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 21:00                                                                           ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-02-01  1:15                                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 21:08                                                                         ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-01-31 20:41                                                                       ` Philip Oakley
2012-04-23  8:38                                                           ` [PATCH 3/7] t5528-push-default.sh: add helper functions Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 15:36                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 16:02                                                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 16:16                                                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 16:20                                                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 16:57                                                                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 17:09                                                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 16:42                                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 16:45                                                                     ` [PATCH 2/3] fixup! " Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 16:48                                                                     ` [PATCH 3/3] push: suggested updates to push configuration documentation Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23  8:38                                                           ` [PATCH 4/7] push: introduce new push.default mode "simple" Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 10:32                                                             ` Michael Haggerty
2012-04-23 11:20                                                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 15:52                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 16:09                                                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23  8:38                                                           ` [PATCH 5/7] t5570: use explicit push refspec Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23  8:38                                                           ` [PATCH 6/7] push: document the future default change for push.default (matching -> simple) Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23  8:38                                                           ` [PATCH 7/7] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:49                                                           ` [PATCH 0/7 v4] push.default upcomming change Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:50                                                             ` [PATCH 1/7] Documentation: explain push.default option a bit more Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:50                                                             ` [PATCH 2/7] Undocument deprecated alias 'push.default=tracking' Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:50                                                             ` [PATCH 3/7] t5528-push-default.sh: add helper functions Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:50                                                             ` [PATCH 4/7] push: introduce new push.default mode "simple" Matthieu Moy
2012-04-25  1:53                                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-25 11:01                                                                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:50                                                             ` [PATCH 5/7] t5570: use explicit push refspec Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:50                                                             ` [PATCH 6/7] push: document the future default change for push.default (matching -> simple) Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:50                                                             ` [PATCH 7/7] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24 19:28                                                             ` [PATCH 0/7 v4] push.default upcomming change Junio C Hamano
2012-04-19 22:57                                                 ` [PATCH 2/3] t5570: use explicit push refspec Matthieu Moy
2012-04-19 22:57                                                 ` [PATCH 3/3] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Matthieu Moy
2012-04-26  5:44                                                   ` [PATCH] t5541: warning message is given even with --quiet Junio C Hamano
2012-04-26  6:31                                                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-11  2:08                     ` [RFC/PATCH] Give better 'pull' advice when pushing non-ff updates to current branch Christopher Tiwald
2012-04-06 11:38                   ` push.default: current vs upstream Dmitry Potapov
2012-04-06 13:36                     ` demerphq
2012-04-06 18:03                       ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-04-06 18:48                         ` demerphq
2012-04-06 19:38                           ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-30 23:07           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-03 20:59             ` Jeff King
2012-04-03 21:04               ` Jeff King
2012-04-03 22:29               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-03 23:23                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-05 12:45                 ` Jeff King
2012-04-08 12:52           ` Felipe Contreras

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