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From: Junio C Hamano <junkio@cox.net>
To: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Debian packaging for 0.99.4
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:48:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vek8xl4xi.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050813235716.GB6844@mythryan2.michonline.com> (Ryan Anderson's message of "Sat, 13 Aug 2005 19:57:16 -0400")

    Debian folks on the list: We had to make this ugly hack in
    our Debianization because Debian heavyweights did not like
    to see "Conflicts:" and us lowly new maintainers needed to
    obey their wishes.

    Linus: The alleged name clash appears to be a Debian
    specific problem.  No other distribution seem to ship GNU
    interactive tools and hence have this name clash.  Debian
    folks have not even substantiated their claim that the other
    GIT is so popular that name clash with it is a bad thing.

    JC: Well, here is the popcon numbers.  I'll let people
    decide if these numbers illustrate that the other GIT is so
    popular that we cannot take over its name.

In a sense, both Linus and myself have been unfair to Debian
folks on the list.  Worrying about the name clash with the other
GIT so much to change our name was not something they liked to
do to begin with.

> Personally, I'm a mugwump, and I don't care who yields as long as it
> takes place and things can then proceed at their usual pace.

Yes, and that is what Linus and myself are saying.  We would
rather stay outside the name politics, which is internal to a
particular distribution.  Linus and I were trying to give
ammunition for the Debian folks on the list to make an argument.
Linus said that our GIT installs /usr/bin/git everywhere else
without the name clash problem.  I said that the other GIT does
not seem to be used that much even on Debian.  From these facts,
they could make an argument that, if Debian as a distribution
wants to stay compatible with other distributions, either (1) it
should tolerate Conflict: and let us install /usr/bin/git, or
(2) get the other GIT renamed.  It is up to the folks pushing
Debianization of our GIT to the Debian official archive which
recommendation to make and deal with the Debian heavyweights.

Another thing to note is that it is not unusual for an official
Debian package to have a patch to debian/* files even when the
upstream sources have some such Debianization files.  The Debian
folks on the list could take that approach without first
proposing to change the name of /usr/bin/git worldwide.  I, as a
Debian user [*1*], would be perfectly happy if the Debianization
of our GIT did not ship "/usr/bin/git", and told the user to
copy "/usr/share/doc/git-core/examples/git" to $HOME/bin/ and
put $HOME/bin at the beginning of the PATH [*2*].  Maybe such a
Debianization would ship with a modified tutorial that has a
paragraph to remind the user about that as well.

[Footnote]
*1* I do not have a single RPM machine at home nor
workplace. Practically everything I touch run Debian.

*2* Even install script offering a choice to make a symlink
/usr/local/bin/git pointing at /usr/bin/git-core-scm would be
possible, but that would only be acceptable on a single-user
machine.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-08-14  0:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-06  1:52 My Itchlist Junio C Hamano
2005-08-06  2:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-08-06  6:50   ` Johannes Schindelin
2005-08-06 19:04     ` Junio C Hamano
2005-08-13 20:05   ` Petr Baudis
2005-08-07  6:00 ` GIT 0.99.4 (preview) Junio C Hamano
2005-08-08  3:18   ` Horst von Brand
2005-08-08  9:09   ` GIT 0.99.4 preview: current status Junio C Hamano
2005-08-08 17:38     ` Request for help from binary packaging people Junio C Hamano
2005-08-08 18:20       ` Sergey Vlasov
2005-08-08 18:58       ` Chris Wright
2005-08-08 22:02         ` Junio C Hamano
2005-08-08 22:21           ` Chris Wright
2005-08-08 22:49             ` Junio C Hamano
2005-08-10 21:15       ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-08-10 22:11         ` [PATCH] Debian packaging for 0.99.4 Matthias Urlichs
2005-08-10 22:56           ` Martin Langhoff
2005-08-10 23:39             ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-08-11  3:17               ` Sebastian Kuzminsky
2005-08-11  4:44                 ` Martin Langhoff
2005-08-11  5:01                   ` Sebastian Kuzminsky
2005-08-11  6:12                     ` Junio C Hamano
2005-08-11  5:05                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-08-11  5:30                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2005-08-11  5:48                     ` Sebastian Kuzminsky
2005-08-11 16:04                       ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-08-11 16:30                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-08-11 19:06                         ` Sebastian Kuzminsky
2005-08-11 20:15                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-08-11 20:23                             ` Sebastian Kuzminsky
2005-08-11 20:32                               ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-08-11 20:44                                 ` Sebastian Kuzminsky
2005-08-11 20:24                             ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-08-11 20:32                               ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-08-11 22:13                               ` Alan Chandler
2005-08-11 22:18                                 ` Sebastian Kuzminsky
2005-08-12  8:34                                 ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-08-12  8:41                                   ` David Lang
2005-08-12 10:35                                     ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-08-13 23:57                                       ` Ryan Anderson
2005-08-14  0:11                                         ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-08-15  5:08                                           ` Ryan Anderson
2005-08-14  0:48                                         ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2005-08-14  0:49                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2005-08-11 21:51                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-08-11 21:53                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-08-11 22:20                             ` Sebastian Kuzminsky
2005-08-11 23:09                               ` Christian Meder
2005-08-11 23:12                             ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-08-12  8:08                             ` [PATCH] Debian packaging for 0.99.4 [u] Andreas Jellinghaus [c]
2005-08-11 19:11                         ` [PATCH] Debian packaging for 0.99.4 Junio C Hamano
2005-08-11 21:45                           ` Gene Heskett
2005-08-11 22:21                             ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]           ` <7vd5olqtvp.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net>
     [not found]             ` <20050810235436.GW28270@kiste.smurf.noris.de>
2005-08-12 20:21               ` Junio C Hamano
2005-08-12 22:54                 ` Martin Langhoff
2005-08-13  0:41                   ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-08-13  0:38                 ` [PATCH] more Debian packaging fixes Matthias Urlichs

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