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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>
Cc: Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy <pclouds@gmail.com>,
	Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon@gmail.com>,
	David Glasser <glasser@davidglasser.net>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: push.default documented in "man git-push"?
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:17:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vehl57zkh.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vpqhaq13xdq.fsf@grenoble-inp.fr> (Matthieu Moy's message of "Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:18:41 +0200")

Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr> writes:

> Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy <pclouds@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 01:03:28PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:
>>
>>> OK, the messages are supposed to advise how to turn them off, so we
>>> would want some code updates in that case.
>>
>> Something like this? It turns out none of the advice messages says
>> anything about advice.*.
>
> Personally, I'm fine with the current situation. Advanced users can read
> the documentation, and for others, the messages are usually more helpful
> than annoying.

OK, you convinced me.

> I disagree. Having advices turned on doesn't harm anyone. I don't
> remember anyone complaining about the verbosity of Git's advices. I've
> seen *many* more people complaining about the user-unfriendliness of
> Git.
>
> I'm fine with very verbose (and scary) messages when the user did
> something wrong (for example, the advice.implicitIdentity is something
> you should never see if you configured Git properly before commiting).
> But the user should not feel blamed for using the default configuration
> of advice messages. The tripple repetition in "git status" shown above
> really sounds like "hey, dumb user, why did you not set
> advice.statusHints already", and is doubly scary for newbies, because
> they are not told how to set the variable, nor what a config variable is
> to Git.

Let's let the list of advice.* messages in Documentation/config.txt
do their job.

Nguyen, thanks for taking a look.  I do agree the extra "here is how
to rob helpful hints from yourself before you learn them" seems to
do more harm than good.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-11 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-02  0:25 push.default documented in "man git-push"? David Glasser
2012-10-02 15:09 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2012-10-02 15:18   ` David Glasser
2012-10-02 15:38     ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2012-10-02 16:45       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-10-02 16:56         ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2012-10-02 17:21         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-10-02 17:25           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-10-02 18:34       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-10-02 19:00         ` David Glasser
2012-10-02 19:08           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-10-03  7:54         ` Matthieu Moy
2012-10-03  8:52         ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2012-10-03  8:14   ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2012-10-03  8:17     ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2012-10-03  8:23       ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2012-10-03  8:46         ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2012-10-03 10:18           ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2012-10-03 18:26             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-10-03 21:40               ` Jeff King
2012-10-08 17:12                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-10-07 16:09               ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2012-10-07 20:27                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-10-08  7:27                   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2012-10-08  8:35                     ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2012-10-03 18:49             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-10-04  2:01               ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2012-10-04  5:45                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-10-05  6:34                   ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2012-10-05 20:03                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-10-11 12:43                       ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2012-10-11 14:18                         ` Matthieu Moy
2012-10-11 14:43                           ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2012-10-11 16:17                           ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2012-10-03 11:58     ` Peter Krefting

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