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[151.237.232.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y19sm3265886wmj.2.2018.11.27.08.52.21 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 27 Nov 2018 08:52:21 -0800 (PST) From: Will To: "Git List" Subject: Git pull confusing output Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:52:09 +0000 X-Mailer: MailMate Trial (1.12.1r5552) Message-ID: <758FA299-0842-4462-8CF6-D7210D26A6C7@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org I’m far from being a guru, but I consider myself a competent Git user. Yet, here’s my understanding of the output of one the most-used commands, `git push`: > Counting objects: 6, done. No idea what an “object” is. Apparently there’s 6 of them here. What does “counting” them means? Should I care? > Delta compression using up to 4 threads. No idea what is “delta compression”, I suppose something is being compressed. It’s using anything between 1 and 4 threads, which is not a very precise or useful information. Should I care? > Compressing objects: 100% (6/6), done. I still don’t know what objects are, but I appreciate having feedback on progress > Writing objects: 100% (6/6), 656 bytes | 656.00 KiB/s, done. Writing what, where? Should I care? Still good to have feedback > Total 6 (delta 4), reused 0 (delta 0) No idea what any of those numbers mean. Should I care? > remote: Resolving deltas: 100% (4/4), completed with 4 local objects. I do know what’s a remote, but I don’t know what “resolving deltas” means. There’s local objects now? I don’t understand what happened to those local objects, are they the byproduct of the delta resolving or the input or something else? Should I care? > To github.com:williamdclt/some-repo.git Fair enough > 1ca9aaa..4320d30 master -> master Fair enough All in all, I didn’t understand most of what I’ve been told, and don’t seem to care about it. Don’t take my sassiness for disrespect, I really appreciate (and am impressed by) everything that happens here, but I feel like a less confusing UI is such a low-hanging fruit. How many devs understand what all of this means, 1%-2% if even that? And even them, do they need this info every time they push? I feel like a less intimidating output would help, while showing info about objects and deltas with the verbose flag: > Compressing… done > Pushing to github.com:williamdclt/some-repo.git… done > 1ca9aaa..4320d30 master -> master I’d be more than happy to work on this (`git push` is an example amongst so many other), but want the mailing list’s opinion on it. Am I wrong in thinking that this output is not something users want, am I fighting windmills or maybe just being ignorant?