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From: Ben Peart <peartben@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Ben Peart <benpeart@microsoft.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, pclouds@gmail.com, chriscool@tuxfamily.org,
	Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de, alexmv@dropbox.com, peff@peff.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/4] fastindex: speed up index load through parallelization
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 10:40:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <73fd93cd-91f4-1286-732c-cd8185fe2027@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqq7eus3nr2.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com>



On 11/14/2017 10:04 AM, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Ben Peart <peartben@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> How about I add the logic to write out a special extension right
>> before the SHA1 that contains an offset to the beginning of the
>> extensions section.  I will also add the logic in do_read_index() to
>> search for and load this special extension if it exists.
>>
>> This will provide a common framework for any future extension to take
>> advantage of if it wants to be loaded/processed before or in parallel
>> with the cache entries or other extensions.
>>
>> For all existing extensions that assume they are loaded _after_ the
>> cache entries, in do_read_index() I'll add the logic to use the offset
>> (if it exists) to adjust the src_offset and then load them normally.
>>
>> Given the IEOT extension is just another list of offsets into the
>> index to enable out of order processing, I'll add those offsets into
>> the same extension so that it is a more generic "table of contents"
>> for the entire index.  This enables us to have common/reusable way to
>> have random access to _all_ sections in the index while maintaining
>> backwards comparability with the existing index formats and code.
>>
>> These additional offsets will initially only be used to parallelize
>> the loading of cache entries and only if the user explicitly enables
>> that option but I can think of other interesting uses for them in the
>> future.
> 
> If we freeze the format of IEOT extension so that we can guarantee
> that the very first version of Git that understands IEOT can always
> find the beginning of extension section in an index file that was
> written by future versions of Git, then I'm all for that plan, but
> my impression was that you are planning to make incompatible change
> in the future to IEOT, judging from the way that IEOT records its own
> version number in the section and the reader uses it to reject an
> unknown one.

I have no thoughts or plans for changes in the future of IEOT (which I 
plan to rename ITOC).  At this point in time, I can't even imagine what 
else we'd want as the index only contains cache entries, extensions and 
the trailing SHA1 and with the TOC we have random access to each of 
those.  If nothing else, it gives another signature to verify to ensure 
we actually have a valid trailing extension. :)

I only added the version because I've learned my ability to predict the 
future is pretty bad and it leaves us that option _if_ something ever 
comes up that we need it _and_ are willing to live with the significant 
negative trade-offs you correctly point out.

> 
> With that plan, what I suspect would happen is that a version of Git
> that understands another optional extension section that wants to be
> findable without scanning the main table and the then-current
> version of IEOT would not be able to use an index file written by a
> new version of Git that enhances the format of the IEOT extension
> bumps its extension version.
> 
> And if that is the case I would have to say that I strongly suspect
> that you would regret the design decision to mix it into IEOT.  That
> is why I keep suggesting that the back pointer extension should be
> on its own, minimizing what it does and minimizing the need to be
> updated across versions of Git.
> 

I understand the risk but the list of offsets into the cache entries is 
pretty simple as well. I prefer the simplicity of a single TOC extension 
that gives us random access to the entire index rather than having to 
piece one together using multiple extensions.  That model has its own 
set of risks and tradeoffs.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-14 15:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-09 14:17 [PATCH v1 0/4] Speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2017-11-09 14:17 ` [PATCH v1 1/4] fastindex: speed " Ben Peart
2017-11-10  4:46   ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-13 16:42     ` Ben Peart
2017-11-14  1:10       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-14 14:31         ` Ben Peart
2017-11-14 15:04           ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-14 15:40             ` Ben Peart [this message]
2017-11-15  1:12               ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-15  4:16                 ` Ben Peart
2017-11-15  4:40                   ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-20 14:01                     ` Ben Peart
2017-11-20 14:20                       ` Jeff King
2017-11-20 15:38                         ` Jeff King
2017-11-20 23:51                       ` Ramsay Jones
2017-11-21  0:45                         ` Ben Peart
2017-11-09 14:17 ` [PATCH v1 2/4] update-index: add fastindex support to update-index Ben Peart
2017-11-09 14:17 ` [PATCH v1 3/4] fastindex: add test tools and a test script Ben Peart
2017-11-09 14:17 ` [PATCH v1 4/4] fastindex: add documentation for the fastindex extension Ben Peart

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