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From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: Martin <git@mfriebe.de>,
	Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	Sergey Organov <sorganov@gmail.com>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: RE: Naming the --forec option [[Re: PATCH: improve git switch documentation]]
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 18:18:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <60ea2ad64878_2a692084e@natae.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43b8d0bb-67f3-11dd-ec31-e102ce8e3b31@mfriebe.de>

Martin wrote:
> On 10/07/2021 22:49, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > Martin wrote:
> >> For each force-needing action, you should have to specify it's own force 
> >> flag. >
>  > OK, but I don't see the concrete proposal. What would be the
>  > flag that
>  > makes -c "forceful"?
>  >
> 
> Well that starts yet another topic.
> 
> At the moment, it is
>     --force-create which is absorbing the flag into the option.
> 
> And by (apparent) convention it also is the uppercasing of the option
>     -C
> same as the uppercasing of the -B in checkout.
> 
> I am not really sure if the uppercasing is the best idea.

Me neither, and it's not something I generally use.

> If your suggestion "core.advanced " were to come, I would vote that 
> uppercase single letter force options should be restricted to advanced.

I would not count on it. I suggested core.mode back in 2013 [1], so...

> If -n is introduced, we can think about what to do about -N.
> Should the  --force-*  style be kept?
>     --force-new
>     -N
> 
> Or the (unfortunate? / see below ) "--discard-changes" style:
>     --discard-existing-branch -n <branchname>
> 
> I am against using --reset instead of --force-new.

That's OK, and in fact I can see how '--reset --new' is clunky, I'm just
saying it is a possibility. But the main point is that something like
`git switch --reset` is missing, although `git switch --move` would
probably do the trick.

> At least I can say, if I use "-N", I want a *new* branch. I don't care 
> about any old branch under that name.

Right, I would as well, but in fact I would expect the same from -n
(although I can see how a newbie might not).

> Also "--reset" does not have the same alerting properties to me, as 
> "force" or "discard" have.
> This may be my English, but to me "reset" does not have the same 
> alerting property.

OK, maybe it's a language issue. I'm not a native English speaker, my
mother tongue is Spanish, but I'm pretty sure my understanding of
"reset" is what most people understand: set again.

Using Merriam Webster [2]:

  1: to set again or anew
  2: to change the reading of often to zero

And there's plenty of corroboration; reorder: order again (whatever
order you had is lost), reassign: assign again (whatever assignment you
had is gone), replay: play again (whatever you were playing is gone),
and so on.

> The general problem is, if there is more than one force-needing action, 
> then which one does -f  act on?
> 
> Any force-needing action, that only applies with another option (such as 
> -N) can have a --force-*. So the plain -f is not used for it.
> 
> But, what if more than one force-needing event can happen (not just 
> switch, but any command), even without any extra options? (May not yet 
> be the case / not checked).
> 
> git switch has attempted to solve that.
> The result IMHO is a disaster.
> "-f" / "--force" is made an alias in favour for
>     --discard-changes
> What changes?

I see.

So *if* --force was not an alias for --discard-changes, then this would
make sense:

  git switch --new --force topic

It would _force_ the creation of a _new_ branch called "topic".

Is this close to what you are thinking?

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/git/1379426871-6823-1-git-send-email-felipe.contreras@gmail.com/
[2] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reset

-- 
Felipe Contreras

  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-10 23:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-29 15:28 PATCH: improve git switch documentation Martin
2021-06-29 16:35 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-29 19:04   ` Martin
2021-06-29 22:39     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-30  8:50       ` Martin
2021-06-30 22:59         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-07-01 10:06           ` Martin
2021-07-01 11:27             ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-07 18:34               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-07 20:46                 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-07 21:25                   ` What actually is a branch? Felipe Contreras
2021-07-07 22:07                     ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-07 22:35                       ` Martin
2021-07-08  3:39                         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-08 10:15                           ` Martin
2021-07-08 17:33                             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-08 19:21                               ` Martin
2021-07-08 20:37                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-08 23:11                                   ` Martin
2021-07-09  0:45                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 13:24                                       ` Martin
2021-07-09 15:08                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 15:23                                           ` switch requires --detach [[Re: What actually is a branch]] Martin
2021-07-09 16:21                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 16:38                                               ` Randall S. Becker
2021-07-09 17:10                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 16:54                                               ` Martin
2021-07-10 10:08                                             ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-10 19:18                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 14:29                                       ` PATCH: improve git switch documentation Martin
2021-07-09 16:10                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 16:51                                           ` Martin
2021-07-09 17:41                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 18:23                                               ` Martin
2021-07-10 19:45                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 20:07                                                   ` Martin
2021-07-10 20:49                                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 22:13                                                       ` Martin
2021-07-10 23:35                                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-11  9:10                                                           ` Martin
2021-07-11  9:30                                                             ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-12 16:28                                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-12 16:33                                                               ` Martin
2021-07-12 16:58                                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-12 17:52                                                                   ` Martin
2021-07-12 19:08                                                                     ` Felipe Contreras
     [not found]                                                                       ` <3a84e4c9-4e48-1cbe-4fe6-150ff56c8508@mfriebe.de>
     [not found]                                                                         ` <60ecbe577a086_a6b702082@natae.notmuch>
2021-07-13 10:42                                                                           ` Martin
2021-07-13 16:02                                                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-16 18:12                                                                               ` Martin
2021-07-16 18:31                                                                               ` Martin
2021-07-16 18:56                                                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-17  7:02                                                                                   ` Martin
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <1997ca3b-117a-e19a-0dee-7342a2f1a0e7@mfriebe.de>
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <60f1f4c3dd8b1_14cb208c1@natae.notmuch>
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <fedbfe1f-9e6d-f46f-ca41-e176a30e938c@mfriebe.de>
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <60f22aaa6a4f1_1f602081b@natae.notmuch>
2021-07-17 10:07                                                                                           ` Martin
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <60f33f8a7c39b_507220823@natae.notmuch>
2021-07-17 21:23                                                                                               ` Martin
2021-07-19 17:51                                                                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-11  7:57                                                         ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-11  9:27                                                           ` Martin
2021-07-11  9:37                                                             ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-11 10:24                                                               ` Martin
2021-07-12 16:34                                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 22:13                                                       ` Naming the --forec option [[Re: PATCH: improve git switch documentation]] Martin
2021-07-10 23:18                                                         ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2021-07-11  0:39                                                           ` Martin
2021-07-12 16:15                                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 10:24                                             ` PATCH: improve git switch documentation Sergey Organov
2021-07-10 10:37                                               ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-07-10 11:05                                               ` Martin
2021-07-10 16:32                                                 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-10 20:12                                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-11  9:04                                                     ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-11 10:05                                                       ` Martin
2021-07-11 12:23                                                         ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-11 13:39                                                           ` Martin
2021-07-11 14:49                                                             ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-11 16:51                                                             ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-12 10:31                                                               ` Kerry, Richard
2021-07-12 11:11                                                                 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-12 16:55                                                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-12 16:24                                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-12 16:39                                                         ` Martin
2021-07-12 17:09                                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-12 22:58                                                         ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-12 23:36                                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-13 11:20                                                           ` Martin
2021-07-10 20:00                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 19:51                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-11  9:52                                                 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-12 16:44                                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-13 10:57                                                     ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-13 16:10                                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-14 19:14                                                         ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-14 19:51                                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-14 20:42                                                             ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-08  3:12                       ` What actually is a branch? Felipe Contreras
2021-07-08 11:16                         ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-08 18:05                           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-01 14:58             ` PATCH: improve git switch documentation Junio C Hamano
2021-07-01 17:29               ` Martin
2021-07-01 17:46                 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-07 18:54                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-07 18:47               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-07 18:14             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-01  0:06         ` Matt Rogers

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